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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2013, 11:11:45 PM »

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Thanks for the dots for Les Deux Frères - a fantastic example of a fiendishly simple tune.
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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2013, 11:41:01 PM »

Thanks for the dots for Les Deux Frères - a fantastic example of a fiendishly simple tune.

It's some time since I approached Toon van Mierlo via Pascale Rubens to ask if this tune was in the Naragonia Tune Book because I wanted to make this into an arrangement for a concertina band. It isn't in the book as zubz pointed out but I received delightfully friendly replies from both Pascale (who didn't know if dots had been written but had passed on the query to Toon) and Toon himself who sent me a .gif file of the sheet music he had written.

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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2013, 12:05:39 AM »

I've been working through this tune (i want to Video it too)... on my Loffet CF 3 row CF (Acc) ... (because of "Zubz" (Chris)) what i have is no idea of what key it ends up in... is it Bb?
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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2013, 09:11:15 AM »

Apologies to tallship.
As Ollie points out, I immediately replied in native tongue and forgot to translate  ::)
.... But the thanks for the abc is genuine in both languages!
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I think I'm starting to get most of the notes in roughly the right order...... sometimes!

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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2013, 11:55:18 AM »

I've been working through this tune (i want to Video it too)... on my Loffet CF 3 row CF (Acc) ... (because of "Zubz" (Chris)) what i have is no idea of what key it ends up in... is it Bb?

It is (to my ears) ... but I'm sure there are interesting alternatives.
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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2013, 06:59:10 PM »

I have had a go at this one. A beautiful tune. I played it on my Castagnari Evo C/F. So it might be Bb but I don't really know :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFD00-V5sdI

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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2013, 06:12:56 PM »

I have had a go at this one. A beautiful tune. I played it on my Castagnari Evo C/F. So it might be Bb but I don't really know :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFD00-V5sdI

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Had a quick go with yours ... its more minorish than mine and played lower...
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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2013, 06:16:56 PM »

So i've had a go at "murdering" this lovely tune in the Bb (ish) key that Chris (Zubz) played his in and the key of the Naragonia recording. on a CF (inside row is all Accs)
Its a nice tricky tune to get going and to play in this key you do need the accidentals!
I've tried different chords on mine including a nice diagonal across the harmonics..

http://youtu.be/_suxIZNXTOw

Now to work out the other bits!

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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2013, 07:23:51 PM »

Some really excellent playing in this thread. This tune didn't grab me straight away but it's beginning to worm it's way into my head. Subtlety is the prime characteristic with Naragonia IMHO. That and being rather difficult to play. Well done to Zubz, Roland and Derek. Now can I get this tune out of my head or do I have to spend all my waking moments for the next month working on it? 
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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2013, 07:29:05 PM »

Some really excellent playing in this thread. This tune didn't grab me straight away but it's beginning to worm it's way into my head. Subtlety is the prime characteristic with Naragonia IMHO. That and being rather difficult to play. Well done to Zubz, Roland and Derek. Now can I get this tune out of my head or do I have to spend all my waking moments for the next month working on it?

It will torment you until you record it!  >:E
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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2013, 08:59:48 PM »

 I hope SirDidymus doesn't mind me posting a link to his fine effort, played on a 2 row:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW84RTEQYQs

It seems to me that the Naragonia version employs some chords that nobody else has managed to recreate (they also make it look pretty "easy"!). I can't tell exactly what they're playing, but is an 18 bass required for this?   :-
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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2013, 09:23:34 PM »

The stuff i've tried seemed fairly straightforward chordwise, do bear in mind that it is played on a GC, and their third row makes a lot of things easier, they may have dutch reversal too? However I've only dabbled.

But i agree that their timing is … often … exquisite. Ditto IMHO their use of silence; we Brits play far too many notes?  As for where to start, why not start where this fine duo have ended up?

  http://www.naragonia.com/en/10years

It'll surely be a good do, a Mr A Cutting is already going, I see ;)
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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2013, 09:57:09 PM »

Blimey ... I can sort of play it in 3 different keys on my CF now! ... each one is so different,  Roland's is on a CF and starts on C (F-Row) , mine and Chris's start on F (i use C Row) on a CF, and SirDidymus starts on G (on C Row)... presumably also on a CF... (strange things melodeons!) .. and i wonder why i learnt it in the "funny" key (chris's fault!), however .. each way of playing puts a completely different dynamic into the tune.
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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2013, 10:50:32 PM »

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Blimey ... I can sort of play it in 3 different keys on my CF now! ... each one is so different,  Roland's is on a CF and starts on C (F-Row) , mine and Chris's start on F (i use C Row) on a CF, and SirDidymus starts on G (on C Row)... presumably also on a CF... (strange things melodeons!) .. and i wonder why i learnt it in the "funny" key (chris's fault!), however .. each way of playing puts a completely different dynamic into the tune.

I start with a C (C-Row)  (:)
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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2013, 10:57:43 PM »

Based on DTN's video I've had another go - taking some of his chord ideas in the A part, plus using better sound recording quality. Earworm abundance!  ::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM28TMI--X0
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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2013, 09:43:10 AM »

Slept on it (fitfully) and these are the right end chords I hear. Very close to a jazz progression.  (Δ=maj7) these aren't exotic chords, just 4 note extensions.

|: BbΔ  | Gm7  |  EbΔ  |   F7  :|
| BbΔ  | Gm7  |  Ebsus2  |  F7 | BbΔ  | Gm7  |  Ebsus2  F7 |  Bb  |

=
|: I     |   vi    |    IV    |   V    :|:  I      |   vi    |  IVsus    |  V   :|

British keys
|: GΔ  | Em7  |   CΔ  |   D7  :|:  GΔ  | Em7  |  Csus  |   D7  :|

|:  CΔ  | Am7  |  FΔ  |   G7  :|:  CΔ  |  Am7  |  Fsus  |  G7  :|

Depending on your kit you'll take off the major 7s and obviously pick a comfortable key, if you have thirds in a simple bass drone may carry parts of the tune, Derek is doing this. But best to find a partner and chord for each other? Yes, some 3rd row is very helpful!

Beyond this they are texturing the riff by voicing chords so that notes hold through, and dabbing in further sus notes to get similar effect. In this respect the real chord run is energised to be more "modern" than that above, holding tension across bars, and responding to each other rather beautifully.

Anyway, that sounds OK on my kit. Now for the tune …  :-\

[ed]  (:) found the dance (un-named) at http://youtu.be/QC1LxI6IYKs It's a gavotte de l'Aven a style fom the valley in S Brittany; or more strictly the easiest and rather cool part of a larger gavotte suite (that the wider French dance clique don't seem to do). So that's the "sway" we are aiming for, and also underlies those pauses, as the dancers swing right leg back in the «se recule»
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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2013, 10:20:45 AM »

I'm not sure that I want to give this tune a go. It's just so effortless when they play it :(
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« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2013, 11:03:41 AM »

Because i'm a bit thick .. musically speaking ... What Key of boxes do Naragonia use for it anyway? :P
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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2013, 12:34:51 PM »

I'd presume GC+acc
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Re: Naragonia - where to start?
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2013, 02:41:41 PM »

Pascale taught using a G/C/accs when she came to Warfedale 2 years ago
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