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Clever mod for accidentals
« on: November 17, 2013, 03:40:13 PM »

Saw this neat little mod in Whitby. The owner (shall we call him George) is far too shy to publish his cleverness, do I'll do that for him ..

1. stiff wire along above the keys - 'paddles' kinked in centrally, and over the Eb/F accidental

(will upload in sections to stay within melnet limits)
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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2013, 03:42:04 PM »

The hinge is simply a copper block - here a connector stem, cut out of a UK pattern 3-pin electric plug (naturally square), drilled and fixed

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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2013, 03:44:06 PM »

The 'tags' (cams?) are slightly offset. Pressing the middle tag depresses the Eb/F key, but is controlled from mid keyboard. No more stretching!

Clever George  ;) ..
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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2013, 04:03:27 PM »

It looks cool, but i am not sure i understand what it does exactly.

Everytime you now push your 6th button on the innerrow, it doesnt sound like that button, but it sounds like the first button? Are there scales in which you never need your 6th button, but you do need your first?
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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2013, 04:17:37 PM »

It looks cool, but i am not sure i understand what it does exactly.

Everytime you now push your 6th button on the innerrow, it doesnt sound like that button, but it sounds like the first button? Are there scales in which you never need your 6th button, but you do need your first?
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If I understand it correctly the linkage is not connected to either sixth button it appears as button 6a (in between 6 and 7) on the G row.

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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2013, 04:41:12 PM »

Everytime you now push your 6th button on the innerrow, it doesnt sound like that button, but it sounds like the first button? Are there scales in which you never need your 6th button, but you do need your first?
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If I understand it correctly the linkage is not connected to either sixth button it appears as button 6a (in between 6 and 7) on the G row.

Right!
The "wire button" (under the finger on photo 3) only activates the first button of the inner row.

Cool!!
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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2013, 04:48:51 PM »

Nicely done George! And a mod which most should be able to do if they require it.
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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2013, 05:10:29 PM »

and it makes playing the third part of the bluebell polka in C dead easy!

the wire I used is piano wire, obtainable from good model shops in metre lengths .  It took a couple of attempts to get the loops for the accidental and the one that is used a  'button' right as once bent it wont straighten  so you have to start again from scratch.

Also did similar mod on pokerwork which is much easier to do. I will take  a pic of it and post it.

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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2013, 05:14:06 PM »

Everytime you now push your 6th button on the innerrow, it doesnt sound like that button, but it sounds like the first button? Are there scales in which you never need your 6th button, but you do need your first?
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If I understand it correctly the linkage is not connected to either sixth button it appears as button 6a (in between 6 and 7) on the G row.

Right!
The "wire button" (under the finger on photo 3) only activates the first button of the inner row.

Cool!!

think of it a being a 'black'' button in the right place

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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2013, 05:25:21 PM »

It's a really sensible modification and makes life much easier. It's very common in France with various '21 + 2' models available off the shelf, and castagnari produce a kit of parts for converting 2 row instruments.

The section 'notre travail d'atelier' on la maison de l'accordeon's site gives details and pictures.

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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2013, 07:48:26 PM »

It is also something the Emmanuel Pariselle fits to the boxes but on his one row courses.
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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2013, 11:42:23 PM »

It looks cool, but i am not sure i understand what it does exactly.

Everytime you now push your 6th button on the innerrow, it doesnt sound like that button, but it sounds like the first button? Are there scales in which you never need your 6th button, but you do need your first?
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If I understand it correctly the linkage is not connected to either sixth button it appears as button 6a (in between 6 and 7) on the G row.

Ah, right. Makes much more sense. My Casta has indeed 21+2 as well. works a lot more pleasant then having to stretch so often.
I have seen Hohners get a similar upgrade as well, with 2 small black pins coming from under the keyboard,

Wouldnt it be cool to be able to change something the way i thought it was meant? Like a switch to change all your e's into eflats? Wouldnt be entirely undoable methinks,
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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2013, 10:07:19 PM »

here is the version of my mod for flat keyboard instruments ( shown on a pokerwork)  It is much easier to do than the behind the grille version as on the Lilly.  Just 2 little wooden blocks glued to the keyboard with  a wire passing through them  one end over the accidental and t'other end  bent to act as a ''black'' button

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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2013, 10:57:57 PM »

    Bravo chaps, just clicked in my mind how this works. It does make a hell of alot of sense
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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2013, 12:03:05 AM »

and costs b'gger all … ;)
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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2013, 09:38:12 AM »

The pokerwork photo is of the 'prototype' I did about 20 years ago  on a knackered old box - It can be improved cosmetically!.  It is also quite possible to do  both accidentals  on many flat keyboards  by using 2 holes in the wooden blocks and two wires anad probably a 3rd small block to act as a stop/locator for the G# wire.  I never got round to doing that 'cos the G# button is easily thumbable

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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2013, 10:33:47 AM »

My Casta has indeed 21+2 as well. works a lot more pleasant then having to stretch so often.
On your Castagnari 21+2, does the 2-button half-row merely duplicate the chin-end accidentals, or does it mean that you can have low notes at the chin end and accidentals only on the half-row? The latter is good...
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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2013, 11:29:10 AM »

My Casta has indeed 21+2 as well. works a lot more pleasant then having to stretch so often.
On your Castagnari 21+2, does the 2-button half-row merely duplicate the chin-end accidentals, or does it mean that you can have low notes at the chin end and accidentals only on the half-row? The latter is good...

The latter would be very good indeed, but halas, it is the same thing as discussed here, just a duplicate. (it is a gc, so in his case low notes wouldnt even be that necesary)
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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2013, 11:37:37 AM »

My Casta has indeed 21+2 as well. works a lot more pleasant then having to stretch so often.
On your Castagnari 21+2, does the 2-button half-row merely duplicate the chin-end accidentals, or does it mean that you can have low notes at the chin end and accidentals only on the half-row? The latter is good...

The latter would be very good indeed, but halas, it is the same thing as discussed here, just a duplicate. (it is a gc, so in his case low notes wouldnt even be that necesary)
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Yes - I thought that would be the case.  :(
If only Castagnari would make a 21+2 instrument where the 2-button half-row was a true accidental row and not duplicating the chin-end! For a D/G instrument with a 3rd button start, it would give you low notes at the chin end and yet still retain the highest notes at the knee-end. Highly desirable! But sadly, not available.
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Re: Clever mod for accidentals
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2013, 11:47:13 AM »

I've even seen something similar on a Preciosa where the first button on the half row operated the same reeds as the first button on the F row.
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