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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2014, 09:10:24 PM »

I think, the day you know you are good at it is the day you stop learning.

Actually I think that's probably the day you stop being good (assuming you were good in the first place!). The only day I can imagine stopping learning is the day I die; there's no-one - NO-ONE - who's so good at anything that they can afford to stop learning.

Yes GPS, I agree with you completely, that is exactly what I meant. It is just that your words are clearer than mine.
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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2014, 10:36:16 PM »

it could be viewed as a sort of 'graded' thing .  i.e.  somebody may see themself   as a 'good ' player after 12 months on the box and indeed it may well be true when judged  by what is generally achieved with 12 months experience. But if they were playing the same after ,say, 5 years it could well be seen as crap playing! So in other words its a moving feast.

There are , I suppose some indicators given by others that can lead a player to viewing him or her self as being a good player  such as the amount of clapping where that is the custom eg in some folk clubs ( but beware of the sympathy clap!).   Being specifically asked to play somewhere or join, or even 'sit in ' with a 'band' can also be an encouraging sign of progress.   To me  one of the best indications of a good dance player either solo or band is the ability to get the feet of those sitting out/standing around tapping


From a personal angle I see being a 'good player'' as a constantly moving target that is never reached!  In other words I agree totally with Graham (GPS)  that becoming a 'good player' is a lifelong learning curve and if you ever sit back  thinking you have achieved it you  are well and truly buggered!

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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2014, 11:58:48 PM »

I know I'm not a good player, but I also know that I'm getting better at it. I'm starting to think of "A" as an achievable objective on a D/G (Thank you George!) and can almost get away with plying for some dancing. I AM interested in young ladies, but sadly they are not interested in me.  :(
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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2014, 09:05:34 AM »

I think one mark of a good player is realising that the better you get the more there is to learn

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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2014, 10:16:57 AM »

In that case I'll never be a good player, as the more I learn, the faster the goal posts move.
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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2014, 10:29:08 AM »

  8) Wow, lots of feedback, particularly felt that George nailed it!
Should be a "was this article useful" box, so I could tick it! Cheers folks!
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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2014, 10:49:02 AM »

Good on some tunes, adequate on  others, useless on even more while I practise them a lot until they get good. Then it starts all over again. Now if their was such a thing as reincarnation and you all stopped composing and finding new tunes, I might even catch up and be a good player.

Not that I really believe in reincarnation, I didn't believe it when I was Mozart and I ain't starting now. ;)
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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2014, 11:26:32 AM »

First you need to define 'good'.......eg

Was Albert Farmer good ? (A very "'rustic" player).

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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2014, 01:26:38 PM »

My wife likened my hobby of playing box to hers ( quilting ).
She rightly said ' we both have hobbies in which we will continue to learn and improve for life.......'  and that's the way I look at it.
Therefore it is always a continual learning curve, knowing you're good implies stopping on the curve of life!
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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2014, 01:34:37 PM »

As a side note: i always think that there is a difference between being a good musician and being a good melodeonist.

A good musician can make a real contribution to a tune/song/session without being good at the instrument in hand. Knowing/feeling exactly when to play those 2 chords he knows for example.

A good melodeonist can control his instrument/bellows very well, and his fingers can hit the right buttons at a considerable speed. Yet it is possible he still has to learn how to make music with all the abilities he has.

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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2014, 01:40:23 PM »

I reckon it's a mark of one's progress when you recognise how much better others are than you.  I recently unearthed a copy of All Buttoned Up (Hemlock Cock and Bull Band).  Deceptively simple, but beautifully played!

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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2014, 02:35:11 PM »

I reckon it's a mark of one's progress when you recognise how much better others are than you.

Couldn't agree more. Also when you recognise that you can learn something from almost any other player, whether they're "better" or "worse" than you are.
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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2014, 06:36:24 PM »

Is a proposition that good musicians are good listeners emerging? Utterly true in jazz, and I'd assert the same in folk session music, but would anyone else agree? …
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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2014, 07:25:43 PM »

Is a proposition that good musicians are good listeners emerging? Utterly true in jazz, and I'd assert the same in folk session music, but would anyone else agree? …

I would, for one.....
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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2014, 07:29:59 PM »

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Is a proposition that good musicians are good listeners emerging?

Of course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU3V6zNER4g
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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2014, 08:04:25 PM »

Indubitably!

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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2014, 08:13:15 PM »

Btw the ability to do any, some, or all the following does not automatically equate to 'good'
- playing fast
- playing lots of accidentals
- playing fancy bass runs
- playing Andy Cutting tunes
- playing in C on a D/G box
- playing 'music for a found harmonium'
- playing across the rows

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however, I will concede that anyone who can play 'Young Damons Flight', automatically qualifies for being good !

 ;).
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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2014, 08:27:36 PM »

I know I'm not a good player and still very far from it. I also know that I will be 'good' (whatever that means) one day and if not I'll have a lot of fun trying. That's enough for me for now.
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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2014, 08:39:59 PM »

I'm not 'good' , and will never claim to be. I'm still learning, and my technique is still improving and not as adept as some other players. Eg I still can't pay the B part of Sportsmanship Hornpipe !

However, some people seem to enjoy my playing,  just like I enjoy the playing of Helena, Nick, Lester, Daddy long les, Anahata, Mike, Bob, Tufty, Tommy, Sandy, George, and lots of others on here. All of whom have different experience and different playing styles.

Hence IMHO 'Good' is not a useful adjective.

Rant over  ;)
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Re: You Know When You're A Good Player....
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2014, 08:56:00 PM »


Hence IMHO 'Good' is not a useful adjective.

Rant over  ;)


I prefer the term '' half decent''

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