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Re: What a pitch...
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2014, 06:03:03 AM »

Would you go to the guy for a used car?!   ("This Vauxhall Corsa is just THE BEST Vauxhall Corsa in this little world.....)

If "The Only Way is Essex" did button accordions would that box be the result?  And imagine pulling something like that out of your bag for a pub session.  You'd look like a melodeon version of Liberace but without the hair, teeth, piano, money and death!   
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Re: What a pitch...
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2014, 07:58:24 AM »

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I confess to being drawn here  ::) rather naively, wondering if sayle's article might be about some technique or other.  Hopes of skillfully chucking one of these fleabay melodeons into a dustbin without hitting the sides ;)
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Re: What a pitch...
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2014, 08:47:03 AM »

If you ignore all the seller's hype, it actually looks like quite a nice Italian Organetto and probably indeed goes like a train, especially if (as claimed) it has hand-made reeds.

It's in the key of D, probably has quite a wild tremolo, and the three half-row buttons provide useful reversals. The pitch will almost certainly be at A=442 or higher, so it will sound very bright. If you didn't want to play Italian tarantellas and similar, I think it would be quite good as a one-row session box or for playing outside (notice I don't say specifically 'for morris!'  ::) ).

However, the asking price $2780 is way too high. I certainly won't be bidding, and anyway, I'm happy with my Wesson Clipper  (:)  :|glug
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Re: What a pitch...
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2014, 11:29:42 AM »

I couldn't read the beautiful prose at all, both my laptop and my Kindle ran all the lines together so they overlapped badly. Regarding its light weight though, we are talking about the !Portable Christmas TRee" Roland are we? With all the flashing lights and more voices that York Minster organ?  >:E
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Re: What a pitch...
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2014, 11:52:06 AM »

I couldn't read the beautiful prose at all, both my laptop and my Kindle ran all the lines together so they overlapped badly. Regarding its light weight though, we are talking about the !Portable Christmas TRee" Roland are we? With all the flashing lights and more voices that York Minster organ?  >:E

Yes, the description text is all broken in Chrome too.
And also yes, The Roland FR18 is the electronic monster with 3 rows, lots of synthetic voices and any keyboard layout you like up to three rows in any key or chromatic, so it's a meaningless comparison.
But we've already established that understated honesty is not quite that advert's style...
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Re: What a pitch...
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2014, 12:22:43 PM »

If anyone wants to read the whole thing, it's also on: http://www.accordionforsale.info/notturni-diatonic-button-accordion-so-much-lighter-than-roland-fr-18-diatonic/.  The same seller is also offering to swap an OK 1950s piano accordion that he has for a Roland FR8X on the same site (http://www.accordionforsale.info/sonola-ss15-accordion-collectors-piece-trade-for-roland-fr-8x-fr-7x-or-fr-7/), one of the selling points of the piano accordion being that the couplers are wrongly labelled.  About a year ago he (or someone influenced by his writing style) put up two of these Notturni organettos for sale for $2,999 each but I can't find that now.  In the piano accordion listing he delivers a speech about how great the free market is.

Now I would defend the look on grounds of tradition though I don't think I'm hard enough to carry it off myself.  I can just about get close to the price like this:

Highest second hand price for a 2 bass organetto from a premium maker             £1000  (assuming Notturni is a premium maker)
Top end Sennheiser mics plus fitting, new                                                          £ 375   (bit overspecified for a 2 bass?)
Add a bit for a mano reeds (but wouldn't they be included in the £1000?)
Add nothing for the extra decoration, should really take something off for having someone else's name on it
Which turns into dollars at $2,600 or so

But this is being very generous, you can get a decent new one for less than this and decent second hand ones for a few hundred without the mics.

And even if it's all as he says, the greatest organetto in the world etc., two strange things, i) it's a specialist bit of kit and yet there's no attempt to target the likely market, i.e. people who play organettos, and ii) sold as seen...

6 lb is more than most 2 basses, although admittedly it may well be less than a Roland, but probably the picture of the bird adds to the weight.
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Re: What a pitch...
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2014, 12:56:45 PM »

 I pondered whether to post the text, but it would be a shame not to record it for posterity, or even posterior-ity of the bovine persuasion. So here it is:

eBay item number:181548858025
Seller assumes all responsibility for this listing.
Item specifics
Condition:   Used :  Split the cost with friends
Seller Notes:   “"The Ferrari of Accordions"-Used very gently; even still smells like new! Accordion shoulder straps are provided. Bass strap still has the plastic protective cover. Sold "as is" - as you see it--no returns. Weighs "almost 1/2" the weight of the Roland FR-18!!!”
Brand:   
Notturni Diatonic Button Accordion
Model:   
2 Bass Diatonic Button Accordion
Far superior excellent quality over the Dino Baffetti, Gabbanelli, Giustozzi, Guerrini & Hohner Accordions and ALL the other brand accordions such as Paolo Soprani, Borsini, Bell, Beltuna, Bugari, Catena, Piatanesi, Serenellini, Sonola, Sano and Roland accordions etc. These are all assembly line-mass production accordions. We are all now very familiar with the word "recall" aren't we?

Notturni--"The Ferrari of Accordions"--When you have the Best, forget about the rest

"White madre perla" (it is not a pure snow white) with a brilliant & protective clear coat finish

2 Bass Buttons--very vibrant German "um pah pah, um pah pah" sounds of D bass and D major chord!--sounds absolutely spectacular!!!  The other bass button is A bass and A chord

I personally brought this beautiful box back to the U.S.A. from Recanati, Italia--the small medieval-like town of famous Italian poets which still has tarnished weather-beaten cobble stone streets!  (10 kilometers south of Castelfidardo) -- For some odd reasons, they make them better in Recanati!!!???--ask any of the remaining old timers who were born in the early 1900's up until and before World War II

Very special and rare HAND MADE REEDS that respond instantaneously to the slightest touch! The quality of the hand made reeds DEFINE the sound!---"3 TREBLE VOICES & 4 BASS VOICES" with pull up French musette shift. The cheap diatonics ONLY have 2 treble voices & either 2 or 3 bass voices & others even have less!!!--so you really get what you pay for because they sound awful--the music comes out very, very, very weak & not full and rich. Most people are not aware of this. The more treble & bass voices that you have will produce an excellent quality sound but they also cost much more money! An educated consumer is my best customer!
 
Magnificent Italian tremolo music fills up and penetrates very large rooms from front to back. Tiny boxes such as this enable the music to reverberate and jump out like a "supersonic jet" sounding unbelievably strong & loud even at long distances!--Just like a fine, tiny, very expensive violin. The bigger the box the more the sounds lose their power of penetration & reverbration--anotherwords, the music comes out very, very, very weak with the bigger boxes because much of the potent sounds are LOST inside THE BIGGER SPACE, BEFORE they come out !!!

Wonderful so sharp, crisp, very rich and bright "FULL" sounds that cut like a "razor"--UNIQUE---other diatonics don't even come close--HANDS DOWN!!! You must see & hear it in person in order to appreciate it

All hand made parts handcrafted by Paolo Notturni, an old-school artigiano (a very rare & dying breed) who also embedded the exquisite decorative paint & rhinestones (cost $300 extra).

Paolo Notturni is "1" out of only a very few still living master artigianos that continues to build his excellent accordions just "1" accordion at a time!  Paolo learned from his dad and grandfather who started making accordions in 1908 and he still continues his gentle and loving family tradition of "old school" perfection!!!                God bless Paolo Notturni!!!

This is his MASTERPIECE. Paolo puts his heart, mind & soul transfused into each piano accordion and diatonic button accordion that he still builds by HIMSELF "the old fashioned way--1 piece at a time without the assembly line". Go ahead, see if there are any other accordion factories out there that do this??? The Ferrari sports car is built the same way. Wouldn't you love to own a Ferrari?
   
Absolutely drop dead gorgeous both in looks and in sound! Nothing as beautiful found in the rest of our little world

Extremely lightweight--only weighs about "6 and 1/2" pounds. This is almost "one half" the weight of the Roland FR-18 which weighs almost "12" pounds!!! Also, my Notturni is only 10 inches high by 10 and 3/4 inches wide by 5 and 3/4 inches deep which is also very much smaller than the Roland FR-18 

Sennheiser Microphones--the world's best; installed by Master in Castelfidardo, Italia--cost $600 extra!--1/4 inch accordion cable jack

Accordion shoulder straps are included   

Sold "as is"- as you see it--no returns

Free shipping only to CANADA! and the lower 48 United States

If you would like to hear what my Masterpiece Notturni sounds like, please call me so I can play it over the phone. I am pretty sure that you will love the sounds! 

Pancordion Panjet, Sonola SS15, and Sano Tube Amplifier are also for sale


If you have any questions, call 215-514-3787
If you find a better button accordion, BUY IT

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Re: What a pitch...
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2014, 04:10:47 PM »

Looks like Paolo Notturni are a perfectly respectable manufacturer, of course. They seem to have a pretty standard range of traditional looking Italian boxes. I say a standard range not meaning to cast any aspertions, I have no doubts that they are good quality instruments.

Their website:

http://www.notturni.altervista.org/

Here's a similar (4 bass) model on sale in 2013.

"voci tipo a mano" and "in perfette condizioni come nuovo!!", which even I can understand with my non-existent Italian.

http://www.annunci.net/perugia/strumenti-musicali/vendo-organetto-notturni-799492

Price 500€

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Re: What a pitch...
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2014, 07:13:27 PM »

The Sonola SS15  is described as:

"ONLY 23lbs without shoulder straps--makes it so much fun to play because it's so light. Perfect for students, children, teenagers, ladies and older men or women looking for a more comfortable lightweight accordion. Very easy on your aching back!"

Makes my Roland "Monster Christmas Tree" seem positively lightweight at 11lbs 11ozs!   :P
       
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Re: What a pitch...
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2014, 09:15:52 PM »

Yes, Malcolm. There's quite a lot of bovine by-products there!  :o
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