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[Clive Williams]

Looking at the Anahata layout which I'm considering for the G/C box tune up, I notice button 1 on the D row of a D/G is A on the pull, not B. I would have thought B would be a more logical choice since it fits with the pull pattern of the rest of the D row, but I'm guessing there's a very good reason why A is used there rather than B. Could someone (Hi Anahata!) explain it to me please?

Cheers,

Clive

[Lester]

It's called G Scale because it extends the G scale down the full octave in the same fingering pattern as the next octave up.

So G/A on D row, B/C on G row, D/E on the D row, F# and G/A etc on the G row.

Well that's my understanding anyway 

[Theo]

As an independent deviser of this layout I think of that button as part of the G row, the pull A is then quite logical. It is also the same in the "standard" layout so it enables you to play an A7 chord.

And why use logic anyway?   If it was logical then you would leave the G as F#!

[Clive Williams]

Aha. Thanks chaps!

[Anahata]

As an independent deviser of this layout I think of that button as part of the G row, the pull A is then quite logical. It is also the same in the "standard" layout so it enables you to play an A7 chord.

As Theo says.
The pull A is part of the standard layout.
You could change it to a B but then:
- I wanted to minimise the changes from standard low-note layout
- The push/pull sequence would be different for the low G scale
- You wouldn't have that low A or A7 chord

[Anahata]

Looking at the Anahata layout which I'm considering for the G/C box tune up

Another thing: 4th button start/G scale is useful on a D/G box which is otherwise naturally pitched rather high.
In contrast, any G/C box already goes down to the G below middle C and may have a couple of notes lower still - do you really need a full scale all the way down to an octave below middle C?

[squeezy]

Hi Clive,

That pull A on the D row button one is simply a traditional thing that I think comes from one-rows to give a pull A chord down the bottom of the keyboard (it's the same on the G row with the pull D on many factory layouts).  When I got my first Saltarelle it came with a pull B on the D row and pull E on the G row which I always much preferred.

I always desired the notes Anahata had ... but had already learnt on that Saltarelle with "logical" notes and had been making use of them in chords for ages so didn't want to change much.  I compromised by only changing the repeated pull E and ended up with this layout (with accidentals not shown):
 
    B/C    D/F#    G/A  etc...
F#/B  A/C#   D/E       etc...

Now I am mainly playing a box that has a fifth button start on the G row (my Hohner Cornelia) it looks like this:

D/E    G/A    B/C    D/F#   G/A
     acc    F#/B  A/C#    D/E

because it's a D/G/[odds and sods box] - I don't really need any accidentals at the end of the row and this gives me a complete low scale in both D and G ... with a bonus that the low G scale is almost exactly the same fingering as the regular G scale if you use the D/E button from the D row.

I don't know if any of that is of much use to you with the box you're doing up but I'm attaching a jpeg of the full layout just in case.

[Clive Williams]

Looking at the Anahata layout which I'm considering for the G/C box tune up

Another thing: 4th button start/G scale is useful on a D/G box which is otherwise naturally pitched rather high.
In contrast, any G/C box already goes down to the G below middle C and may have a couple of notes lower still - do you really need a full scale all the way down to an octave below middle C?

If I'm honest, probably not much - certainly not as much as you would on a D/G. However, the box is 11/10/9 rather than the more usual 12/11/10 you might find in a G/C/#, so moving everything up for a 4th or 5th button start isn't an option in my case, as I'd lose important stuff off the top end. All the accidentals I really need would be on the accidental row, so that leaves us with the question as to what to do with the low buttons; options being leave them are (random - there's a low F (D/G speak) on the pull which I can only assume was a communication error when it was built, and it was meant to be an octave up), use standard low notes, use (very obscure) accidentals that I don't have on the full row, or do Anahata/G-Scale.

I think of those options, Anahata/G-Scale looks by far and away the most useful, but I don't expect it to get a lot of use, because it is as you say a G/C.

Cheers,

Clive

[Clive Williams]

I don't know if any of that is of much use to you with the box you're doing up but I'm attaching a jpeg of the full layout just in case.

Thanks for that - I don't think changing the start note is an option in my case, but it's always useful to see what other people have done with accidentals!

[Chris Ryall]

Frans got one of my low notes in wrong octave. Quickly fixed by Theo though

[Theo]

there's a low F (D/G speak) on the pull which I can only assume was a communication error when it was built, and it was meant to be an octave up),

Might have been intentional if it is not duplicating one on the half row.   I have one of those on my DG and find it very useful. 

[Clive Williams]

there's a low F (D/G speak) on the pull which I can only assume was a communication error when it was built, and it was meant to be an octave up),

Might have been intentional if it is not duplicating one on the half row.   I have one of those on my DG and find it very useful.

Yes, I think you're right; there is an F an octave up on the accidental row too... so it probably is deliberate. I've not found a use yet though :-)

[Chris Ryall]

.
  Don't worry Clive. There are a number of parishioners
  here who have no use for the F in accidental row 

[forrest]

I think of those options, Anahata/G-Scale looks by far and away the most useful, but I don't expect it to get a lot of use, because it is as you say a G/C.

Being a recent convert to the extended G scale, there are times when I am pining for that low F# on the D row. However, it does seem useful as mentioned due to the high pitch of the D/G box. But I personally would not want it on a G/C. On the other hand, Clive, I'm sure you would find an interesting way to use it...

[Owen Woods]

If you want to keep your low notes, why not consider replacing the high accidental with a G/C button? This means that the cross row fingering is consistent (apart from the pull D and A) with the octave above. With a half row or high accidental button (or Bergflodt's amazing switch) it's a great option.