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Tunes suggestions for an intermediate player?
« on: March 04, 2015, 05:21:04 PM »

Hi all you wunnerful melodeon.net people out there. My first post (scary...).
I have been playing for a couple of years and I think I'm sort of at an intermediate level. I'd like any suggestions for some lively tunes to move my playing on.
I enjoyed learning and playing tunes like 'The Railway/Steamboat Polka' (Thanks to Sandy Shallis's lovely version), 'Banks of the Dee/Dearest Dickie' (Thanks to Mcgrooger's version), 'Sportsman's Hornpipe' (Thanks to Jon Spiers), etc. I'm currently only interested in English tunes...
I'd love to hear your suggestions.

P.S. I am deeply indebted to Lester and Clive Williams for this wonderful site and the delightful, supportive community of mad melodeon players who contribute to it. Like so many of you, melodeon playing has taken over my life and I only wish I'd started before I'd got to 60.... Couldn't live without it now  (:).
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Re: Tunes suggestions for an intermediate player?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2015, 05:51:26 PM »

Fancy a challenge. Try Primrose Polka / Bluebell Polka (with C part in C). Music readily available on usual sites or see Lester's website.
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Re: Tunes suggestions for an intermediate player?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2015, 05:55:28 PM »

I thought I was Ok once I could play The Sportsman's

How about some 3/2 Hornpipes  ?

 Dusty Miller / Rusty Gully (aka 3 Rusty Swords or Puccinellos)   - fairly simple
 Old Lancashire Hornpipe
 If You Will Not Have Me You May Let me Go  I find this quite challenging)
Tumblers Hornpipe

..All the above are in Hard Core English
and my favourite
 The Old Haile Hornpipe -  which I think is in John of the Greeny Way,  but I had to listen to Brian Peter's recording of this for ages before I got the hang of it.

Good luck ...
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Re: Tunes suggestions for an intermediate player?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2015, 05:55:56 PM »

Fancy a challenge. Try Primrose Polka / Bluebell Polka (with C part in C). Music readily available on usual sites or see Lester's website.

I don't do the C part in C 'cus it's too hard  :P . But there are 406 other tunes to chose from

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Re: Tunes suggestions for an intermediate player?
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2015, 06:02:27 PM »

Fancy a challenge. Try Primrose Polka / Bluebell Polka (with C part in C). Music readily available on usual sites or see Lester's website.

Though these are clearly Scottish tunes and the Nick did say he was only interested in English tunes.
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Re: Tunes suggestions for an intermediate player?
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2015, 10:19:56 PM »

You could do worse than have a go at all the tune of the month selections here on Melnet. Leave out the ones that aren't English if you have to...

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Re: Tunes suggestions for an intermediate player?
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2015, 02:59:08 PM »

Among my favourite English tunes are:

Chain Cotillion (aka Sussex Cotillion)
Dark Girl Dressed in Blue
Flatworld
Go Mauve
Great North Run
Iron Legs
Jump at the Sun
Lemmie Brazil's Nos. 1 & 2
A Small Fee
Twin Sisters
Walter Bulwer's Polkas Nos 1 & 2

They vary from quite easy to pretty challenging. PM me if you want sheet music for any of them.
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Re: Tunes suggestions for an intermediate player?
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2015, 03:18:01 PM »

Among my favourite English tunes are:
Twin Sisters

English? Collected in Newfoundland I believe  ;)
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Re: Tunes suggestions for an intermediate player?
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2015, 03:36:33 PM »

I assume Bob is referring to this one, which is English and I believe is rather old. If I remember correctly Michael Raven claims it is Elizabethan in one of his books.

http://www.folktunefinder.com/tune/193824/
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Re: Tunes suggestions for an intermediate player?
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2015, 04:07:22 PM »

I assume Bob is referring to this one, which is English and I believe is rather old. If I remember correctly Michael Raven claims it is Elizabethan in one of his books.

http://www.folktunefinder.com/tune/193824/

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Re: Tunes suggestions for an intermediate player?
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2015, 05:17:22 PM »

You could both be correct.  It would be quite plausible for an old English tune to cross the Atlantic and later be found on that side if the pond.
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Re: Tunes suggestions for an intermediate player?
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2015, 07:38:39 PM »

It would but in this case I think the two are different tunes: isn't the Newfoundland one the 6/8 tune often used for the Upton on Severn Stick Dance, after Chingford Morris on the original Morris On album?

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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2015, 08:07:07 PM »

Sorry to cause confusion over Twin Sisters. I was referring to the tune to which TedK posted a link - one of my all-time favourite tunes!

I was aware of the other tune of the same name, which I tend to think of as the Upton Stick Dance Tune rather than using its proper name. I had no idea that this tune had links with Newfoundland, but the one I was recommending is firmly English - unless anybody knows differently!

If these two tunes really are sisters, they are certainly not twins.  ::)
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2015, 08:35:36 PM »

I'm really confused now  -   When I learnt this tune (Bob's  4/4 version rather than the the 6/8 tune of the same name) I was led to believe that it was a Newfoundland Tune.   So it now appears that it is an english tune after all.  I would be grateful for some leads to help find its origins if possible please.

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Re: Tunes suggestions for an intermediate player?
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2015, 10:45:51 PM »

Among my favourite English tunes are:

Flatworld
Go Mauve
Jump at the Sun


Probably not the place for that discussion,...but these three tunes,...despite being composed by Englishmen i wouldnt call them English. Or am i misguided, or do i have too narrow a view of "English"?
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Re: Tunes suggestions for an intermediate player?
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2015, 11:05:53 PM »

I'm really confused now  -   When I learnt this tune (Bob's  4/4 version rather than the the 6/8 tune of the same name) I was led to believe that it was a Newfoundland Tune.   So it now appears that it is an english tune after all.  I would be grateful for some leads to help find its origins if possible please.

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Bacon mentions the tune published by Maud Karpeles as having been collected by her from Newfoundland, when describing the stick dance. He doesn't give the dots, but refers to a 1933 EFDSS publication. It seems likely that it is the well known 6/8 tune, since I've never seen the other associated with it and wouldn't have a clue how to dance it to the 4/4 tune.

I seem to recall the Gloucestershire Morris Men making some pretty strong assertions on this point when I was with them for a while, although I can't remember the specific grounds. 

Just to keep life interesting, the Deorfrith Morris tune book has the 4/4 tune (titled Twin Sisters) immediately before the Upton version (titled Upton...), which had me confused but at least I understand that now.
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"Twin Sisters: www.vwml.org/record/MK/1/3/5133
Collected from Nancy Masters by Maud Karpeles
10 August 1929, Weld, Maine, USA"
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Re: Tunes suggestions for an intermediate player?
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2015, 11:19:15 PM »

Tunes move around from country to country and get modified along the way.
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2015, 11:42:36 PM »

Among my favourite English tunes are:
Flatworld
Go Mauve
Jump at the Sun
Probably not the place for that discussion,...but these three tunes,...despite being composed by Englishmen i wouldnt call them English. Or am i misguided, or do i have too narrow a view of "English"?

I am reluctant to put words into your mouth, Cooper, but you seem to be implying that a tune can only be regarded as 'English' if it conforms to some sort of stereotype of what an English tune is or should be. Leaving unopened the can of worms of what would constitute an 'English' tune, I would contend that throughout history music in most countries has been shaped, in part at least, by influences from outside that country. That is one of the main reasons why music evolves over time and is surely to be encouraged. Therefore, even when a tune shows some foreign influences, that does not disqualify it from being an English tune if it was written by an English musician, unless, of course, that musician makes an explicit claim to have written it in a non-English style.

I am particularly surprised that you regard Jump at the Sun as non-English given that it was written in the late 1960s when John Kirkpatrick, surely one of the most consistent promoters of English tunes, was just starting out on his career and had probably had little contact with continental music. I seem to remember him saying that he wrote it as a way of exploring the potential of the instrument, not as some kind of homage to a non-English genre about which I would not like to speculate.
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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2015, 12:13:16 AM »

Among my favourite English tunes are:
Flatworld
Go Mauve
Jump at the Sun
Probably not the place for that discussion,...but these three tunes,...despite being composed by Englishmen i wouldnt call them English. Or am i misguided, or do i have too narrow a view of "English"?

I am reluctant to put words into your mouth, Cooper, but you seem to be implying that a tune can only be regarded as 'English' if it conforms to some sort of stereotype of what an English tune is or should be. Leaving unopened the can of worms of what would constitute an 'English' tune, I would contend that throughout history music in most countries has been shaped, in part at least, by influences from outside that country. That is one of the main reasons why music evolves over time and is surely to be encouraged. Therefore, even when a tune shows some foreign influences, that does not disqualify it from being an English tune if it was written by an English musician, unless, of course, that musician makes an explicit claim to have written it in a non-English style.

I am particularly surprised that you regard Jump at the Sun as non-English given that it was written in the late 1960s when John Kirkpatrick, surely one of the most consistent promoters of English tunes, was just starting out on his career and had probably had little contact with continental music. I seem to remember him saying that he wrote it as a way of exploring the potential of the instrument, not as some kind of homage to a non-English genre about which I would not like to speculate.


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Re: Tunes suggestions for an intermediate player?
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2015, 01:16:49 AM »

It would but in this case I think the two are different tunes: isn't the Newfoundland one the 6/8 tune often used for the Upton on Severn Stick Dance, after Chingford Morris on the original Morris On album?

Yes, it is, although [folk-rock nerd] it's actually the last track on Rattlebone & Ploughjack (a bizarre but fairly influential record) and was danced by the Albion Morris Men (many of whom were Chingford men) [/folk-rock nerd].
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