Melodeon.net Forums

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Welcome to the new melodeon.net forum

Pages: 1 [2]   Go Down

Author Topic: what makes a good box player???  (Read 8421 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Hello

  • Regular debater
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 148
  • mmm
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2009, 07:44:52 PM »

I would define a good player as:
Someone who has a combination of technical mastery and musicality which allows them to think outside the box and perform a tune and variations thereof in such a way as to make it interesting for themselves and to engage the audience at all times.
Logged
Trying is the first step towards failing

Ebor_fiddler

  • Chris
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2340
  • Hohner 1040 C One-Row, Sandpiper D/G, Liliput C/F
    • Ebor Morris
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2009, 11:16:44 PM »

Ought we not to think inside the box, so we have some idea of what it's going to do next?  ;)
Logged
I'm a Yorkie!
My other melodeon's a fiddle, but one of my Hohners has six strings! I also play a very red Hawkins Bazaar in C and a generic Klingenthaler spoon bass in F.!! My other pets (played) are gobirons - Hohner Marine Band in C, Hohner Tremolo in D and a Chinese Thingy Tremolo in G.

Theo

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 13729
  • Hohner Club Too
    • The Box Place
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2009, 11:21:26 PM »

Ought we not to think inside the box, so we have some idea of what it's going to do next?  ;)

Only when the box is in the workshop!

Then the technician must do all the thinking  ??? about the inside of the box so the player doesn't have to  :D
Logged
Theo Gibb - Gateshead UK

Proprietor of The Box Place for melodeon and concertina sales and service.
Follow me on Twitter and Facebook for stock updates.

melod-ian

  • Respected Sage
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 288
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2009, 09:11:11 PM »

are we talking about playing solo or playing in a group..you can be the best box player around.. BUT in a band situation you need to be more complimentary to the other musicians
i consider myself as the rhythm section in my band NOT the lead.. that's the job of the Fiddle or recorder.

Logged
3 x Acadian's (C,Bb,A),
Hohner corona iiir (GCF)
PS Black Pearl (DG)
and the old hohner erica (DG)

Stiamh

  • Old grey C#/D pest
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3538
    • Packie Manus Byrne
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2009, 09:54:17 PM »

BUT in a band situation you need to be more complimentary to the other musicians
i consider myself as the rhythm section in my band NOT the lead.. that's the job of the Fiddle or recorder.

Reading your post I was thinking hear, hear, to myself and then I read the last word and nearly choked.  ;)

There was a long discussion on here not so long ago on the subject of whether the box a second-class instrument - and my view is that yes it is, because in the music I play it's at its best as a sympathetic foil to a good fiddle. But recorder... strewth. That's a third-class instrument!

melod-ian

  • Respected Sage
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 288
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2009, 10:14:15 PM »

Quote
But recorder... strewth. That's a third-class instrument!

its not a question of class, really .. my point is rhythm. and the recorder is not a rhythm instrument.. it will only be a lead.
the melodeon of course is both.. is'nt it more complimentary to play rhythm underneath a recorder playing the lead line?
Logged
3 x Acadian's (C,Bb,A),
Hohner corona iiir (GCF)
PS Black Pearl (DG)
and the old hohner erica (DG)

Stiamh

  • Old grey C#/D pest
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3538
    • Packie Manus Byrne
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2009, 10:27:12 PM »

I was just taking the michael, Ian. I like recorders well enough - as long as they aren't playing trad. music.

Steve_freereeder

  • Content Manager
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7511
  • MAD is inevitable. Keep Calm and Carry On
    • Lizzie Dripping
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2009, 10:34:12 PM »

...But recorder... strewth. That's a third-class instrument!
I get sick and bloody tired of this sort of attitude. If it is a third-class instrument, would you care to explain why Bach, Telemann and Handel, not to mention many Renaissance composers, wrote exquisitely for recorder, both as a solo and an ensemble instrument?

Third class instruments in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcp164LBWfQ
« Last Edit: May 14, 2009, 10:40:39 PM by Steve_freereeder »
Logged
Steve
Sheffield, UK.
www.lizziedripping.org.uk

melod-ian

  • Respected Sage
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 288
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2009, 10:40:10 PM »

I was just taking the michael, Ian. I like recorders well enough - as long as they aren't playing trad. music.

i know steve ;D... but they have as much right to be on the stage as me
Logged
3 x Acadian's (C,Bb,A),
Hohner corona iiir (GCF)
PS Black Pearl (DG)
and the old hohner erica (DG)

Stiamh

  • Old grey C#/D pest
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3538
    • Packie Manus Byrne
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2009, 10:51:50 PM »

...But recorder... strewth. That's a third-class instrument!
I get sick and bloody tired of this sort of attitude. If it is a third-class instrument, would you care to explain why Bach, Telemann and Handel, not to mention many Renaissance composers, wrote exquisitely for recorder, both as a solo and an ensemble instrument?

Because the accordion hadn't yet been invented, perhaps?

Steve_freereeder

  • Content Manager
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7511
  • MAD is inevitable. Keep Calm and Carry On
    • Lizzie Dripping
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2009, 10:58:46 PM »

I was just taking the michael, Ian. I like recorders well enough - as long as they aren't playing trad. music.
Don't forget that a great deal of the music we play which we think of as 'traditional' has its origins in baroque, renaissance and medieval music. Think of those jigs and hornpipes in the Playford collections, for example. These tunes would have been played by fiddles, lutes and various wind instruments including - yes - recorders. The recorder has a lot more claim to authenticity in our traditional music than this recent upstart, the melodeon.
Logged
Steve
Sheffield, UK.
www.lizziedripping.org.uk

joe

  • Regular debater
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 185
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2009, 10:15:21 AM »

The recorder has a lot more claim to authenticity in our traditional music than this recent upstart, the melodeon.

But Melodeon sounds better!
Logged

Owen Woods

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3894
  • melodeonmusic.com
    • The website and blog of Owen Woods
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2009, 11:31:03 AM »

We have a number of recorders in our group. Some of them are trying to learn the whistle (and complaining about it) but it works reasonably well as a folk instrument when played properly.

I agree with your analysis, but it's incredibly easy to be lazy. For instance, in our group for a typical lineup we would have a bodran, guitar, 3 fiddles, recorder and a few "misc", which might include melodeon (me), windsynth, cello, trombone, accordion, Charango (also me) etc. We have a different lineup each time.

I am classed as a melody line instrument and I think that my melody helps drown out complement the fiddle/recorder melody. However, evven with a guitarist it is incredible what effect a decent bass has, which is what I've been working on for the past few months.
Logged
Bergflodt D/G 4 voice, Saltarelle Bouebe D/G, Super Preciosa D/Em, Hohner Impiliput B/C+C#

Latest blog post: In Any Weather

http://melodeonmusic.com/blog

melod-ian

  • Respected Sage
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 288
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2009, 12:42:33 PM »

Obviously its different between bands.. different dynamics etc.
Logged
3 x Acadian's (C,Bb,A),
Hohner corona iiir (GCF)
PS Black Pearl (DG)
and the old hohner erica (DG)

Falseknight

  • Respected Sage
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 449
    • False Knight
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2009, 05:51:04 PM »

Depending on the music (even within a traditional context) I'd far sooner have a good recorder player (preferably with a good recorder) than an average whistle player.  At least the recorder is reasonably equally tempered and chromatic.
Logged

Ebor_fiddler

  • Chris
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2340
  • Hohner 1040 C One-Row, Sandpiper D/G, Liliput C/F
    • Ebor Morris
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2009, 11:42:40 AM »

As long as the player is equally so?  (:)
Logged
I'm a Yorkie!
My other melodeon's a fiddle, but one of my Hohners has six strings! I also play a very red Hawkins Bazaar in C and a generic Klingenthaler spoon bass in F.!! My other pets (played) are gobirons - Hohner Marine Band in C, Hohner Tremolo in D and a Chinese Thingy Tremolo in G.

Mike Higgins

  • Respected Sage
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 338
    • Strolling to Italy
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2009, 11:46:35 AM »

On Thursday night Brass Monkey played in our village hall, and I now understand what a good box player is. 
Logged
Mike from Ponte Caffaro

Martin J

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 902
  • Poole, Dorset
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2009, 11:59:15 AM »

...But recorder... strewth. That's a third-class instrument!
I get sick and bloody tired of this sort of attitude. If it is a third-class instrument, would you care to explain why Bach, Telemann and Handel, not to mention many Renaissance composers, wrote exquisitely for recorder, both as a solo and an ensemble instrument?

Third class instruments in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcp164LBWfQ

This is the worst ceilidh band I've ever heard  >:E
Logged
Castagnari, Weltmeister, Giustozzi, Streb, too many Hohners.  No Strings Attached ceilidh band

GbH

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 695
    • GbH Online
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2009, 12:16:48 PM »

...But recorder... strewth. That's a third-class instrument!
I get sick and bloody tired of this sort of attitude. If it is a third-class instrument, would you care to explain why Bach, Telemann and Handel, not to mention many Renaissance composers, wrote exquisitely for recorder, both as a solo and an ensemble instrument?

Third class instruments in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcp164LBWfQ


And another - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8wL1AR7iqo
Logged
"You sir, are mad as an omelette on a bicycle! " - C Williams

Falseknight

  • Respected Sage
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 449
    • False Knight
Re: what makes a good box player???
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2009, 12:37:30 PM »

The U Tube comments are quite interesting on both pieces as well.
Logged
Pages: 1 [2]   Go Up
 


Melodeon.net - (c) Theo Gibb; Clive Williams 2010. The access and use of this website and forum featuring these terms and conditions constitutes your acceptance of these terms and conditions.
SimplePortal 2.3.5 © 2008-2012, SimplePortal