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The Happy Wanderer

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What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« on: May 20, 2015, 09:11:20 PM »

I have been looking into possibly getting a second box lately (I am still not decided whether or not I will get one). The reason for getting a second box would be to get one more optimized to the styles I am interested in playing. I am interested in playing Polish, Slovak, Italian, German, and Slovenian styles. I also find Swiss Orgeli music interesting. I am specifically interested in playing Polish, German, and Slovenian American Style polkas and waltzes. I will include some videos as an example. What type of box do you recommend? Club? GCF type three row? Two row?

Polish American Style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bOJshRh9Hg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll5ikbg3WPI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAO1rN5Me7c


German American Style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UgRfBkjUdc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJi-8k_BvOU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnPWFcBjYTU

Slovenian American Style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GHXk8Ctggc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9riCP52AC48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw6IgISSN60
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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2015, 09:37:41 PM »

Wonderful stuff. Thanks for the links.

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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2015, 09:38:58 PM »

I would have thought a Steirische would suit your needs very well
Exactly what I thought too.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co95xEvn67U
Especially... More than any one else, Karin Seyringer's playing has made me wish I had a Steiriche Harmonika.
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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2015, 09:46:36 PM »

While a Steirische would probably be the best way to go, they unfortunately, tend to be to pricey for me. I believe I have read here that Heligonkas are similar, if not the same, but are cheaper. Where might someone in America find a Heligonka?
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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2015, 10:06:52 PM »

can somebody put a keyboard chart of a steiriche  on here?

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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2015, 10:14:47 PM »

can somebody put a keyboard chart of a steiriche  on here?

george

Try here George, it's a bit of a struggle due to being in German

http://members.yline.com/~arizona/harmonika/

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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2015, 12:06:34 AM »

can somebody put a keyboard chart of a steiriche  on here?

george
GCFBb: http://www.ziachnoten.de/WebRoot/Store18/Shops/15513816/47F9/F584/2731/EE2D/501E/C0A8/28BA/9E7C/06_Grifftabelle_G-C-F-B.pdf
H=B, B=Bb,
Fis=F# (in general: suffix -is is a sharp note)
As=Ab, Des=Db (suffix -es is flat)
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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2015, 12:42:18 AM »

What type of box do you recommend? Club? GCF type three row? Two row?
Happy Wanderer, this is so funny: the music you want to play is just what I had to listen to when I was a child - and I hated it. My parents loved to go to Biergarten and Bierzelt - how tedious and boring that was for me.

As others suggested, a Steirische would be the best type of box. However, I think it might be possible to play your favourite kind of music with a two row club box. If you could do without helikon basses why not choose a three row?
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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2015, 12:58:12 AM »

As above. This is about gut melodeonism rather than anything "clever"

btw here's my own favourite "Slovenian" number, buy Marie Lynn - enjoy
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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2015, 03:07:31 AM »

Well, it doesnt matter a lot for me the style of the track, specifically you are asking me you would like to play in a 3 row box ... I would always give an opinion about, the best choice would be the B-C-C#

Because certainly you will have all the notes necessaries to play the tracks you are tying to do.
I didn't analise carefully the tracks you sent in youtube links, about which notes it has and stuff.
But, simplifying, I believe that always the B-C-C# solve all the problems.  ::)
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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2015, 08:25:01 AM »

and that wasn't me saying that -- not that I disagree in any way with Brazilian boxes suggestion!
george ;D
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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2015, 08:34:02 AM »

I would always give an opinion about, the best choice would be the B-C-C#

Because certainly you will have all the notes necessaries to play the tracks you are tying to do.
If it is only about having all the notes, than I would go and buy a piano accordion (not more than 60 or 72 basses).

All the music in the linked videos is well playable on a simple Club accordion, but maybe not in the given tonalities but maybe one tone up or down. The music in the videos is always played by an ensemble, and there are different instruments. You can't imitate this with a (non-MIDI) accordion/melodeon. To imitate the sound of the Chemnitzer Konzertina in the first video, it wouldn't be bad to have a LMM box.

I would recommend trying a (NOT de-clubbed) second hand Club box, because they are quite cheap, because not much sought after at the moment.

If no Club but only a two-row is available, I would consider to make the Dutch inversion, because the sixth on push is often needed and can't be simulated otherwise.
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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2015, 08:45:36 AM »

While a Steirische would probably be the best way to go, they unfortunately, tend to be to pricey for me.
I don't know your price limit. Here is a smaller used Styrian box (only 3 rows, 11 basses) for under 1700 €.
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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2015, 09:39:36 AM »

While a Steirische would probably be the best way to go, they unfortunately, tend to be to pricey for me. I believe I have read here that Heligonkas are similar, if not the same, but are cheaper. Where might someone in America find a Heligonka?

No idea!  A few years ago used Heligonkas were pretty cheap in the Czech Republic - I wish I'd bought the one I tried in a second-hand music shop - but even there prices have risen over the last four or five years and the instruments themselves are now getting fairly rare. At one time every second-hand shop had one or two in stock, but not now.

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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2015, 04:49:01 PM »

My budget would probably be, unfortunately under $1000. I don't expect I can get anything new for that, but I could possibly get something used.

Helicon basses aren't the highest priority for me I don't think. I am sort of looking for melodeons that can play stuff that Chemnitzer Concertinas can play.
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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2015, 05:51:16 PM »

I think you can get a new Hohner Panther or a Hohner Compadre. Both have 3 rows.
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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2015, 05:55:03 PM »

Found this:
http://m.ebay.com/itm/261877750915?nav=SEARCH

And this
http://m.ebay.com/itm/281693462276?nav=SEARCH

Looks to be good prices.

(No connection with sellers BTW)
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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2015, 06:25:34 PM »

But as suggested, a used Hohner Club could be a cheap alternative:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vxGQEAQXg5s

And certainly capable of the types of music you describe.
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Re: What Type of Box is Best for All These Styles?
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2015, 07:22:55 PM »

I wonder which would be the best choice of these? Club, Three Row, or Steirische?

I just found this video. In it one of the accordionists appears to be playing a Hohner Corona III. Is the Hohner Panther/Compadre similar to these?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIL9punl6_8
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