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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2015, 07:13:13 PM »

Mine is effectively second button start on the G row and first on the - i.e, both rows start with the D. And you have six buttons on each row.
That is determined by the physical layout of the buttons, from the same view the D row starts one button to the right of the G row (and ends one to the right). So you'd need to take that into account.

Beyond that - no idea. I would suspect it depends how busy they are and how long you want to wait. And how good your Italian is.  ;D

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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2015, 08:21:00 PM »

Hi
The Giordys we have coming have the layout in the attachment.

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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2015, 08:39:11 PM »

Hi
The Giordys we have coming have the layout in the attachment.

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Yes, that's my standard layout too.
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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2015, 08:45:42 PM »

Perhaps it might be worth posting this in the keyboard layouts "oddball" section? 
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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #44 on: June 12, 2015, 08:48:26 PM »

Perhaps it might be worth posting this in the keyboard layouts "oddball" section?

I'll tidy it up and send Theo a copy for inclusion

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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #45 on: June 12, 2015, 09:34:29 PM »

If Castagnari offer the upper octave version as "standard", it may be worth including that too, with a note that the lower octave version presently a special.
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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #46 on: June 16, 2015, 05:03:25 PM »

Hi

Just had confirmation,Giordy's have been shipped,There are models available in Maple with white buttons and in Padouk
If you would like to reserve one please email.info@acorninstruments.co.uk
There are 3 in Padouk and 2 in Maple available.      Price is £695 plus p&p.will accept credit card later this week,should be here Monday or Tuesday

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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2015, 05:25:45 PM »

I am now the happy owner of a Giordy courtesy of jilly/pete and some money  (:).

Today's question is why does it have chords that are 3rds and 5ths not 1sts and 5ths. My guess is that the chord + bass gives a full chord. I shall probably change mine to 1/5ths unless there si something I'm not seeing.

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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2015, 05:42:17 PM »

Today's question is why does it have chords that are 3rds and 5ths not 1sts and 5ths. My guess is that the chord + bass gives a full chord. I shall probably change mine to 1/5ths unless there si something I'm not seeing.

Once you've done yours can you book mine in please  (:)  :|||:
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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2015, 07:59:18 PM »

I am now the happy owner of a Giordy courtesy of jilly/pete and some money  (:).

Today's question is why does it have chords that are 3rds and 5ths not 1sts and 5ths. My guess is that the chord + bass gives a full chord. I shall probably change mine to 1/5ths unless there si something I'm not seeing.

Yeah, its probably to make the full chord with both buttons.

And it works like that for me. If you just do Uhm Pa, you wont miss the 1 in the chord (at least i dont), and indeed you can make whoel chords if you want to do that.

But what i like most is that it opens more and different things than you can do usually. your "D-chord" is actually a F#m, which i think is awesome and something i missed on my regular 2r8b. You can make a complete G-chord on the pull by combining 2 buttons. You can make a nice unstable chord that i dont know the name of in DG-terms ;-) with the 2 chord-buttons closest to your chin. relaxing in your normal Em. And more ;-)

It DOES however ask for some rewiring in your brain :-), if you want to use all those options.
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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2015, 11:58:42 AM »

Solved the problem/conundrum of the 3rds/5ths with a bit of skill and solder. Mine now has 1st/5th chords which seems much more useful.  (:)

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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2015, 12:27:41 PM »

Well, I'm pleased with my Giordy, but I'm finding the air button a pain. Much of the problem is that Lester fitted a push down button on my Mignon (it was his before it was mine ) and instead of concentrating on learning to use the Giordy's button I lose hope and get the Mignon out. It seems to require a sideways flick of the thumb or the thumb hovering over it, the former gets painful, the latter tiring. I must be doing something wrong,or why would Castagnari turn out hundreds like it..?
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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2015, 02:48:22 PM »

The air button was my main issue with the Giordy. I did contemplate putting a bar across the bass strap, as someone recently suggested for a different box, to have my thumb outside, concertina style. I may still do so.
I found I could either use the basses, or the air button, but it became very tiring to try to do both.

However, I have found that slackening the bass strap has helped. If my hands are particularly dry it's still a little slippy, but I can achieve a comfortable pressure on the air button with my thumb while still reaching the basses. The button is fairly well down on the thumb, but OK.

I still find that I'm holding the air button slightly open at times, but it's easier to hold off as I'm not fighting the strap.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2015, 03:38:50 PM by malcolmbebb »
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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #53 on: August 16, 2015, 03:10:11 PM »

Well that made me get my Giordy out to check  (:)

I remember having problems when I first got mine but now it seems perfectly comfortable so I've just given it a quick squeeze to check what I am doing.  Seems I have adjusted my hand position for this box and have the air button sitting a fraction below the knuckle of my thumb. I am not resting my thumb on the button all the time although I remember doing this when I first got the box - this was a problem as I found I was depressing the air button when not needed which rather robbed the reeds of much needed air.

It is awkward and I think the only way to get around it is just to keep playing it - an excuse for extra melodeon playing if such were ever needed  :|||: ::)
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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #54 on: August 16, 2015, 04:05:11 PM »

Although certainly no expert player I had trouble in keeping my thumb off the air button when I first got my Giordy (many thanks Jilly/Pete for providing). I have cured this by using a small alloy disc about 1 cm thick 3 cm across under the top of the strap by the air valve thus giving a little extra width and room for my thumb. I retained the original screw in the center of the disc to hold the disc to the Giordy and fixed the handstrap to the disc with a 3mm countersunk screw about 5mm from the center of the disc. This now give the added beifit of being able to adjust the strap between buckel holes by rotating the spacer disc before securing it fully.
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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #55 on: August 16, 2015, 07:44:10 PM »

Thanks to you all for your suggestions for coming to terms with the air button. I've given the 'bar across the strap' idea a dry run, Malcolm and it looks promising, the only drawback is that I have very broad mitts and short fingers so with the bar fitted I'll be running out of strap..if I decide to make the bar permanent I'll fit a longer strap. Just had a lightbulb moment; wonder if a stronger spring under the button would work? The thumb could then rest on the button without activating it until a bit more pressure is applied...Any chance of a photo of your disc idea Chris? I can't quite get my head round it...
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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #56 on: August 16, 2015, 07:49:15 PM »

Oh, and thanks to Mike Gott for the picture of the strap bar...
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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #57 on: August 16, 2015, 08:10:32 PM »

Would changing the angle of your hand help? I was thinking of using the heel of your hand, instead of the thumb. Tilt the top of the Giordy away from you, sort of.


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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #58 on: August 16, 2015, 08:17:06 PM »

I have just finished working on a customers Giordy who was having air button problems. She had had the size of the button increased in size as she thought the original was too small, the problem that arose was that the air button then became far too easy to operate and made the box somewhat unplayable (ie in a cupboard for some years). I fixed the bulk of the problem by lowering the action to make the air button much less sensitive.

So increasing the size of the air button is not necessarily a good idea.

I found with mine that having the strap tight made operating the button more difficult so slacked it off a notch and now have no problem.

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Re: Questions about the Castagnari Giordy
« Reply #59 on: August 16, 2015, 08:21:35 PM »

I found with mine that having the strap tight made operating the button more difficult so slacked it off a notch and now have no problem.

Pretty much this ^
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