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Chris Ryall

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Musicianship
« on: October 09, 2015, 08:45:31 PM »

Courtesy Mary Humphreys FB feed
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Re: Think this is the right section?
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2015, 10:05:16 PM »

"Not clapping on 1 and 3"

Why not?
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Re: Think this is the right section?
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2015, 10:13:09 PM »

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Re: Think this is the right section?
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2015, 11:05:56 PM »

I wondered about that one too, but the underlying thesis is surely that humanity is at the heart of being a good musician?
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Re: Think this is the right section?
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2015, 08:09:20 AM »

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-white-American-audiences-mostly-clap-on-one-and-three-while-black-American-audiences-mostly-clap-on-two-and-four
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If you're clapping on one and three to any of these tracks, ...  you're a clown.
Yes, this may be true for these tunes in these arrangements. But there are other tunes where it might be well appropriate to clap on 1 & 3, and clapping on 2 & 4 might seem a bit odd. For example I can't imagine why one should clap on 2 & 4 to the well known Kreuzpolka.

Maybe people who ask for uniformly clapping on 2 & 4, regardless of the character of the underlying tune, have a somewhat narrow musical horizon?
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Re: Think this is the right section?
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2015, 08:37:31 AM »

Before theis thread descends into the nuances of Clavé v Cuban polyryhthms, I'd suggest that the best way to stay in grove with the other musicians in the room is to actively listen to them?  :|glug
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Re: Think this is the right section?
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2015, 08:50:28 AM »

Maybe people who ask for uniformly clapping on 2 & 4, regardless of the character of the underlying tune, have a somewhat narrow musical horizon?

That particular respondent to the O.P.'s question on that page--the fellow who posted all the video clips--comes across as just a wee bit full of himself, and--no--not terribly sophisticated musically.

It's a silly debate really. Obviously one ought to be able to do either; the drum kit contains both a bass and a snare, after all. The point is to know what one's doing, and how it affects the rhythm of the piece.

That said, it can be a bit of a challenge teaching people (of whatever tint) reared on American music to accent one-and-three when necessary. I sometimes do an exercise with students where we go through a tune like "Miss McLeod's" several times, first making it sound as old-timey American as possible, with a very strong backbeat, then shifting the stresses to one and three to bring out the Irish flavor. It takes a lot of work, first to weaken that internal snare, and then to restore it (I think I mostly tap my foot on two and four when playing an Irish reel) without making the tune sound like a hoedown.

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Re: Musicianship
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2015, 09:14:03 AM »

cross link to Brian Read's thread on playing along with others on a Bb/Eb box. It is all about having respect for the other people in the room, really?
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2015, 09:43:33 AM »

cross link to Brian Read's thread on playing along with others on a Bb/Eb box. It is all about having respect for the other people in the room, really?

Well said - couldn't agree more.
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Re: Musicianship
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2015, 10:14:05 AM »

Yep!
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2015, 10:43:36 AM »

Obviously one ought to be able to do either; the drum kit contains both a bass and a snare, after all. The point is to know what one's doing, and how it affects the rhythm of the piece.
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Re: Musicianship
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2015, 10:48:25 AM »

One of the things I notice when I travel to the southern half of England is that the range of keys you hear played in sessions seems to get smaller.  Round Tyneside, as well as plenty of tunes in D and G,  many in A, and it's not unusual to get a few in F, Bb and E, as well as the occasional unusual scales.  On my forays down sarf, it seems to be much more narrowly focussed on D and G, and occasionally even D seems a bit adventurous.  Now I can't play in all those keys, but it does add to the variety and makes for a more enjoyable musical experience.  So my feeling is that if box players can add a seasoning of other keys to the musical feast then everyone benefits.
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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2015, 12:08:54 PM »

One of the things I notice when I travel to the southern half of England is that the range of keys you hear played in sessions seems to get smaller...........  On my forays down sarf, it seems to be much more narrowly focussed on D and G, and occasionally even D seems a bit adventurous.  .

Same here in Cyprus. If I play a tune in F all the guitarists stop as well.... ::)

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Re: Musicianship
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2015, 12:11:53 PM »

Same here in Cyprus. If I play a tune in F all the guitarists stop as well.... ::)

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Re: Musicianship
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2015, 12:32:28 PM »

I once stopped a banjo player by accidentally sitting on the thing.  8)
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Re: Musicianship
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2015, 12:34:37 PM »

I think there may be something wrong with me: When in a clapping along situation I tend to hit the opposite beat to the bulk of the crowd. Am I just being contrary or am I contributing to variety  within  the mix?
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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2015, 12:53:33 PM »

Looking at the  Venn, doesn't better musicianship and hence bettermusic involve "negative" characterisctics as well as the positive  ones included? I'm thinking of  of a set encompassing anger, jealousy and  other emotions that provoke strong reactions and are strong motivators. Insecurity is another characteristic generally regarded as negative that seems common in great artists in all disciplines.
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Re: Musicianship
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2015, 02:16:33 PM »

I hate any kind of clapping along to the music .
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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2015, 02:47:54 PM »

I hate any kind of clapping along to the music .

Yes, if you fell the need to join in you should dance!
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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2015, 03:24:20 PM »

I hate any kind of clapping along to the music .

Yes, if you fell the need to join in you should dance!

Hear, hear! People who clap along with the music have an annoying habit of speeding up, which tends to spoil the performance.
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