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How is this done? Ornamentation
« on: May 25, 2009, 08:20:36 PM »

Hello all--

How is this done?  The ornament with the "flick" I just can't seem to duplicate.  Appreciate any information as to where this might be included in a tutor, tab or sheet music.  Thanks and regards, Steve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzctuG5yrdY&feature=PlayList&p=21B4F6B5A326437B&index=5
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Re: How is this done? Ornamentation
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2009, 06:14:41 PM »

That's nice playing and a nice tune.
I think I may have missed the point of the question Steve, I hear a lot of grace notes on the next button up the row heading into the "tune" note, which are often repeated.  Just a quick "flick" as you say on the next button up before the note itself. Or have I missed the point completely?
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Re: How is this done? Ornamentation
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2009, 08:56:06 PM »

Tom--you have it exactly right, I think.  Is the grace note the 1/2 step down or up? I think you mean up.   So if I understand, the sequence is, for example (in G) G, B, B; F#, A, A, etc?
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Re: How is this done? Ornamentation
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2009, 12:38:30 AM »

from what I've read recently it seems it was a common 'embellishment' used by East Anglian musicians (EAMT publication can't remember the title but available from EFDSS)
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Re: How is this done? Ornamentation
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2009, 09:36:32 AM »

from what I've read recently it seems it was a common 'embellishment' used by East Anglian musicians (EAMT publication can't remember the title but available from EFDSS)
It's "Before the Night Was Out" which no self-respecting melodeon player should be without.
Available from EATMT
http://www.eatmt.org.uk/Shop.htm#ENB30%20Before%20the%20Night%20Was%20Out
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2009, 10:15:55 AM »

It's "Before the Night Was Out" which no self-respecting melodeon player should be without.
Available from EATMT
http://www.eatmt.org.uk/Shop.htm#ENB30%20Before%20the%20Night%20Was%20Out

Thanks Steve...I was too idle to look it it last night  ;D

my current Firefox doesn't like the EAMT site... freezes everything!

EFDSS were very good...simple ordering and quick despatch/delivery..

 :||: the great bonus was remembering that I had the vinyls that are mentioned in the discography.... better than watching the telly when doing the ironing ;D ;D
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Re: How is this done? Ornamentation
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2009, 10:57:07 AM »

Percy Brown was the man who used this ornamentation to greatest effect.

I only know that because I haven't got a telly or an iron.  ;D
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Re: How is this done? Ornamentation
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2009, 01:01:01 PM »

Slight thread drift.
I just loved this clip that came up on the related videos on youtube here
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2009, 02:10:21 PM »

Slight thread drift.
I just loved this clip that came up on the related videos on youtube here

Amazing playing, thanks Malcolm.

.......... and to cause even more thread drift, note that he's not using a shoulder strap.
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Re: How is this done? Ornamentation
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2009, 03:02:46 PM »

Slight thread drift.
I just loved this clip that came up on the related videos on youtube here

What is that? :P
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Re: How is this done? Ornamentation
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2009, 03:21:29 PM »

I hear a lot of grace notes on the next button up the row heading into the "tune" note, which are often repeated.  Just a quick "flick" as you say on the next button up before the note itself.

I'm hearing - although I can't see how the player is doing it - something different and more subtle. Not a grace note but the main note repeated, as if the first finger is hitting the button a second time, very quickly. The clearest spot seems to be at exactly 1:15 in the clip, where you get this "double" and then the octave chiming in almost immediately after - lovely effect.

Or am I imagining things?

Edited to add: no, I'm not, you can see the finger hitting the note repeatedly - three times I think - at 0:21.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2009, 03:24:09 PM by Steve Jones »
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Re: How is this done? Ornamentation
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2009, 06:00:59 PM »

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What is that?

Indeed..........just wrist straps and maybe unisonic? More like a bandoneon ( or chemnitzer)  than a melodeon. Robin
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Re: How is this done? Ornamentation
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2009, 06:06:13 PM »

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Indeed..........just wrist straps and maybe unisonic? More like a bandoneon ( or chemnitzer)  than a melodeon. Robin

Definitely unisonoric... It looks vaguely familiar, I think I've seen a picture of one somewhere.
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Re: How is this done? Ornamentation
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2009, 08:38:17 PM »

The way he's playing is very interesting though. Has anybody noticed that he's using all his fingers in a similar way to a pianist?  :-* He is also using all three rows. This is what makes it possible for him to have the time to insert the ornamentation under discussion. I speak as a non-pianist observer of three sister pianists!  :||:
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Re: How is this done? Ornamentation
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2009, 09:10:10 PM »

Indeed..........just wrist straps and maybe unisonic? More like a bandoneon ( or chemnitzer)  than a melodeon. Robin

This looks to be the same beastie: http://pillisepp.blogspot.com/2008/07/esimene-tsisem-postitus.html



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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2009, 11:32:06 PM »

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What is that?

Indeed..........just wrist straps and maybe unisonic? More like a bandoneon ( or chemnitzer)  than a melodeon. Robin

Definitely unisonoric... It looks vaguely familiar, I think I've seen a picture of one somewhere.

Here's a good picture of it, more on the other pages:

http://www.lootspill.ee/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&page=inline&gid=6&limit=1&Itemid=34&limitstart=2
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