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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2016, 06:43:47 PM »

Nice! That makes sense. In the Homage to Denecheau though, there are chords in red, blue AND black! The black ones don't seem to just be repeating an already introduced chord and direction. Are black chords available in either direction?

Funnily enough, this coincides with how I'm doing it on the Atzarin bandonion. Red = pull, Blue = push, Black = either direction. It is also testing the rules on bellows reversals for this kind of instrument that I laid out in another thread, where I'd expect to play Am, for example, always on the pull. In this piece, however, it's more comfortable on the push after push G/E and push E
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2016, 07:11:19 PM »

I'm afraid that's just where I edited it at a later date when I was less in need of the reminders. Inconsistent, but hey. Glad you like the tune. I did email Denecheau with a copy, but didn't hear back. No matter.
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2016, 10:14:52 PM »

This tune may work for a two mood dance, if anyone could be bothered to work one out. First part is stately minuet or mazurka(despite metre changes) last part is out of control gallop.
Therefore, called Grandmother's Footsteps
Audio will of course follow.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2016, 11:42:40 PM by playandteach »
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2016, 11:30:03 PM »

This tune may work for a two mood dance, if anyone could be bothered to work one out. First part is stately minuet or mazurka(despite metre changes) last part is out of control gallop.
Therefore, called Grandmother's Footsteps
Audio will of course follow.
Interesting one!
Question: should your 1st-time bar marking starting at bar 7 really start at bar 6? Or do you really intend the bar 6 melody to be repeated in the 2nd-time bar at bar 9? (I can see the chords indications for bars 6 and 9 are different).
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2016, 11:41:48 PM »

Thanks, Steve. You can be my editor in chief. It's amazing what slips under the radar. I've amended it now.
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2016, 08:46:11 AM »

Thanks, Steve. You can be my editor in chief. It's amazing what slips under the radar. I've amended it now.
You're welcome! Glad that you're not offended.
When I was a student I sometimes undertook music copying vacation work in order to eek out my grant a bit further. That was back in the days when everything was done by pen and ink on translucent foil master staves. I was a dab-hand at music calligraphy ;). Mostly the work was extracting orchestral or band parts from a composer's score, but it also served as a secondary proof-reading exercise.
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2016, 09:35:35 AM »

I remember the translucent foil. A real artist's hand needed.  I  probably upload them too soon but that is the easiest way for me to get them on paper myself and I spot errors much better on paper. I can tell the difference between a helpful correction and someone who's just out to polish their own reputation.
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2016, 07:27:49 PM »

And here's a run through of Grandmother's Footstep
On piano again, and far from fautless - but then the idea is just to get a recording out as quickly as possible to support the sheet music.
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2016, 10:34:51 PM »

Fully aware that these are rough and not-ready recordings, but I want to spend the time writing new ones, or trying them out on the melodeon rather than perfecting piano versions. So, with that feeble excuse out of the way, here is Agamemnon
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2016, 01:04:10 AM »

Back to A minor and 3/4 time. It's my default or where my heart is at the moment.
The title is a give away.
Nostrovia Nostalgia. Audio to follow.

Point of order here and I'm hesitant to point it out as you're a music teacher and far more qualified in music theory than I am. You open with a pick up and your PDF numbers that as bar one because you never pay the pick up back. As I understand it this is incorrect. Your tune is 33 bars long, how does that work then?  ;) >:E 8)
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2016, 09:17:40 AM »

Back to A minor and 3/4 time. It's my default or where my heart is at the moment.
The title is a give away.
Nostrovia Nostalgia. Audio to follow.

Point of order here and I'm hesitant to point it out as you're a music teacher and far more qualified in music theory than I am. You open with a pick up and your PDF numbers that as bar one because you never pay the pick up back. As I understand it this is incorrect. Your tune is 33 bars long, how does that work then?  ;) >:E 8)
I'll jump in and try to answer this...
With music notation software (I use MuseScore; I think P&T uses Sibelius), there is usually an option to set bar numbering either to include pick-up bars, or not. The default for MuseScore is to include pick-up bars, but I normally set this to off.  I suspect this is what is happening here: simply that the bar numbering option is set to include pick-up bars and hasn't been turned off (it's probably located somewhere not very obvious in the software preferences). It's no big deal.
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2016, 09:38:45 AM »

Yes, Steve's right. It would mean a trawl through options that for these purposes I wasn't sufficiently concerned to do. I had a cursory glance, but moved onto more enjoyable tasks. I could easily have removed the bar numbers, but then I'd be removing reference points for people to make comments like: I really like the way the pick up has been rhythmically displaced in bar 12 :D
Seriously though, you seem to have 3 points
1, Yes the bar numbers are out of step with the real phrasing - just a software default I couldn't be hassled  with.
2. The tune is 32 bars long in this case (if you repeated the whole lot, you would duck the last beat in the last bar). I do, however, like tunes that have extra bars, or missing bars - breaking expectations is a big part of engaging the listener.
3.As to the pay back being missing at the end. You are correct, but it's a little like ending with a preposition - it's a rule that I think is comfortably dispensed with.

Most importantly, thanks for taking the time to look at my tunes.
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2016, 10:38:35 AM »

Since there are two people here who've done music copying: how did you learn?  I once asked on the ABRSM forum if anybody knew of references on music calligraphy comparable to the many books available on textual calligraphy, but nobody seemed to have heard of one.  I'd have expected that publishers had their own in-house style guides, at least.
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2016, 11:40:37 AM »

I didn't mean to imply that I'd worked on the translucent foil, just was around those who did. It was a very specialised skill. You'll have to go directly to Steve Freereeder for real details.
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2016, 01:42:31 PM »

Since there are two people here who've done music copying: how did you learn?  I once asked on the ABRSM forum if anybody knew of references on music calligraphy comparable to the many books available on textual calligraphy, but nobody seemed to have heard of one.  I'd have expected that publishers had their own in-house style guides, at least.

Hello Jack,
My music copying/calligraphy was largely self-taught, but being an orchestral and band player (clarinets, saxophones, etc.) I did have a good idea of transposition and what constituted player-friendly parts, especially layout, e.g. so the player didn't have impossible page turns to contend with. Also the balance of 'white space' with notes on the page so that everything looked good and not too cluttered, nor too spaced out.

As for the actual penmanship, I practised a lot and had a decent music calligraphy pen, which was a fountain pen with a nib having three flexible 'prongs' (for want of a better term) at the tip rather than the usual, more rigid, two. The special nib meant that you could form a note head with a single downward push and then take a thin line up or down for the stem of the note, all without lifting the pen from the page. Also thick line beams for quavers, semiquavers, etc. could similarly be formed with the minimum of removal of nib from the page. This all made for faster, more flowing, work.

I did have one book to refer to which I borrowed from a library, entitled something like 'The Art of Music Handwriting' which was very useful, but I'm afraid I cannot remember the author or publisher. It was over 40 years ago!

Most of the work I did was for a couple of individual composers rather than for a publishing house so I cannot comment on house styles.
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2016, 02:02:28 PM »

Seriously though . . .

My post was pretty tongue in cheek to be honest, hence the smileys.  ;D An interesting point was made about music software like MuseScore hiding simple options in obscure menus that are then easily forgotten by the next time you need them. I messed about with MuseScore for a while but got bored and wandered off. As for taking time to look at your tunes it's a pleasure, there's some lovely stuff here!
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2016, 06:02:29 PM »

Here's a youtube clip of me finally risking a melodeon version of No More Fridays.

It has been really fiddly to get to grips with. I also tried recording it on a Yeti mic, into audacity and splicing audio and video together in Moviemaker. I didn't add anything to the sound, but think it is better that the video camera sound alone which I used for the piano versions of these tunes.
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #57 on: July 25, 2016, 12:20:45 AM »

Here's a youtube clip of me finally risking a melodeon version of No More Fridays.

I liked this tune so much I transcribed to ABC so I could learn it but for the life of me I cannot figure out how to get the segment ident of A and B to display with a rectangle around the letter. Is there a way to do it?

I also tried stem=down in bar 7 but is messed up the display.

Code: [Select]
X:1
T:No More Fridays
C:Pete Seago
L:1/8
Q:3/8=100
M:6/8
K:C
EF !segno! |"C" G2Ec2G|"F" {G}A3-AFE |"G" D2DB2A|"C" GAG "G" FED|
"Am" ECc-c2G|"Dm" AFf-f2e|"G" d2cB2A|GAG F(EF)  |"C" G2 E c2 G  |
"F" A3- AFE  |"G" D2 D "E" E2 B,  |"Am" C2 c BAG  |"Dm" AFf edc |"G" BGg fed |
"C" c2 2G "F"A2 F |"C" E3- EAB  || "Am" c2 A ABc |"G" B G2- GGB |"F" A2 F D2 A |
"Em" G6 |"Dm" F2 D AFG- |"Em" GEC B2 G  |"F" AFc- cec  |"G" d3- def |
"C" g2 e c2 B  |"F" Afe d2 c  |"G" B2 c"G/F" d2 B |"E" e3- eed  |
"F" cGA- Afe |"G" dcB "/F" ABG  |"/E"  c2 G "/D" GAF  |"C" E3- E+D.S.+EF|]
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #58 on: July 25, 2016, 07:59:08 AM »

I liked this tune so much I transcribed to ABC so I could learn it but for the life of me I cannot figure out how to get the segment ident of A and B to display with a rectangle around the letter. Is there a way to do it?


Read this thread.
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Re: Playandteach tune book
« Reply #59 on: July 25, 2016, 09:50:12 AM »

ABC is a notation for music, not a notation for music notation, so trying to reproduce typesetting exactly is usually not the best way to use it.  If you use ABC's part construct you can represent the same sequence of sounds without using the (non-portable) !segno! and +D.S.+ constructs, and the result is a bit more economical as staff notation:

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X:1
T:No More Fridays
C:Pete Seago
L:1/8
Q:3/8=100
M:6/8
P:ABA
K:C
P:A
EF|"C" G2E  c2G|"F"{G}A3-  AFE|"G"D2D    B2A |"C" GAG "G"FED  |
   "Am"ECc- c2G|"Dm"  AFf- f2e|"G"d2c    B2A |    GAG    F(EF)|
   "C" G2E  c2G|"F"   A3-  AFE|"G"D2D "E"E2B,|"Am"C2c    BAG  |
   "Dm"AFf  edc|"G"   BGg  fed|"C"c2G "F"A2F |"C" E3-    E   |]
P:B
AB|"Am"c2A  ABc |"G" BG2-    GGB|"F" A2F      D2A|"Em"G6     |
   "Dm"F2D  AFG-|"Em"GEC     B2G|"F" AFc-     cec|"G" d3- def|
   "C" g2e  c2B |"F" Afe     d2c|"G" B2c "G/F"d2B|"E" e3- eed|
   "F" cGA- Afe |"G" dcB "/F"ABG|"/E"c2G "/D" GAF|"C" E3- E ||

Your bar 10 has an extra number 2 in it:

Code: [Select]
|"C" c2 2G "F"A2 F |
which no ABC processor will be able to figure out (and it's enough to stop BarFly displaying the tune at all) - that's the only actual mistake you made, I think.

The tune has definitely got something but I'd like to see it simplified a bit by folk processing.
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