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Larry Anthony

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Your thoughts please
« on: December 18, 2007, 06:03:00 PM »

Your thoughts on this layout, good or bad, would be most welcome.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2007, 10:20:25 PM by Larry Anthony »
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Re: Your thoughts please
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2007, 09:26:28 PM »

So you have basically got a C/G Anglo Concertina with both sides "joined" and laid out flat for your treble side and enough basses to keep the harmony interesting.

Looks quite interesting.  I believe that Chris Timson has a box set up like this but can not remember if his was C/G or G/D on the treble side.

As I C/G Anglo Player I would want a go on a box like that to explore the possibilities.
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Re: Your thoughts please
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2007, 11:25:31 PM »

So you have basically got a C/G Anglo Concertina with both sides "joined" and laid out flat for your treble side and enough basses to keep the harmony interesting.

Not really. The C and G rows are the other way round in a C/G anglo.  In Larry's layout the C and G rows are pretty much what you would get on a G/C melodeon, except for the first button on each row.
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Re: Your thoughts please
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2007, 12:33:37 AM »

Your thoughts on this layout, good or bad, would be most welcome.

To say anything, I think we need to know what Keys are the ones you plan to use the most?
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Re: Your thoughts please
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2007, 02:47:11 AM »

Your thoughts on this layout, good or bad, would be most welcome.

To say anything, I think we need to know what Keys are the ones you plan to use the most?

The ones associated with the available chords in the bass.
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Re: Your thoughts please
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2007, 03:21:35 AM »

Your thoughts on this layout, good or bad, would be most welcome.
To say anything, I think we need to know what Keys are the ones you plan to use the most?
The ones associated with the available chords in the bass. 

   I'm probably not the right person to comment (because I think so much in "one-row") but it seems to me that you're going to have a box that's good in C and G but you'll consider that you *should* have access to two more sharp keys and two more flat keys but it will be a pure b!tch to get to them.  To get anything out of it, you'll have to learn a complete new set of skills (including unlearning many skills that you're used to -- except for playing in C and G, but then you're learning a new set of skills for the basses.  You may be able to get some good things out of this box by a lot of hard work but I think you'll have a difficult time in getting much out of it.

  Why going to a completely different setup than either "quint-tune" or "semi-tone"?  Neither of the ordinary systems are perfect but they're both pretty good, in their own ways.
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Re: Your thoughts please
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2007, 09:17:38 AM »

So you have basically got a C/G Anglo Concertina with both sides "joined" and laid out flat for your treble side and enough basses to keep the harmony interesting.

Not really. The C and G rows are the other way round in a C/G anglo.  In Larry's layout the C and G rows are pretty much what you would get on a G/C melodeon, except for the first button on each row.

Do you mean the G row is pitched lower than the C row?
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Re: Your thoughts please
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2007, 09:38:17 AM »

Do you mean the G row is pitched lower than the C row?

Yes, and the physical location of the rows is the opposite way round.  On an C/G anglo the C row is nearest the players hand, on a melodeon its the G row that is nearer.

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Please ignore my the above, it is complete rubbish!

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Re: Your thoughts please
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2007, 10:34:06 AM »

Your thoughts on this layout, good or bad, would be most welcome.

Assuming you're looking for a G/C biased instrument, rather than a true G/C/F, and you want unisonoric/trikitixa style basses, I'd probably layout the bass like this:

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D  D  G  G  C  C

Am Am Em Em F  F

I think you'll find Em chords more useful than Bb, unless you intend to play in F, and the chords are closer to where they would be on a true G/C - in fact the push chords are always where they'd be normally, and the pull chords are one place off to the right, so it shouldn't mess up your normal box technique too badly.

If you really want to have a Bb available, consider a hybrid layout, like this:

Code: [Select]
D     D      G     G      C C

Bm/Bb Bm/Bb  Em/Am Em/Am  F F

(push/pull)

Cheers,

Clive

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Re: Your thoughts please
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2007, 04:41:59 PM »

Your thoughts on this layout, good or bad, would be most welcome.

Assuming you're looking for a G/C biased instrument, rather than a true G/C/F, and you want unisonoric/trikitixa style basses, I'd probably layout the bass like this:

Code: [Select]
D  D  G  G  C  C

Am Am Em Em F  F

I think you'll find Em chords more useful than Bb, unless you intend to play in F, and the chords are closer to where they would be on a true G/C - in fact the push chords are always where they'd be normally, and the pull chords are one place off to the right, so it shouldn't mess up your normal box technique too badly.

If you really want to have a Bb available, consider a hybrid layout, like this:

Code: [Select]
D     D      G     G      C C

Bm/Bb Bm/Bb  Em/Am Em/Am  F F

(push/pull)

Cheers,

Clive


« Last Edit: December 19, 2007, 04:44:03 PM by Larry Anthony »
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Re: Your thoughts please
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2007, 06:03:04 PM »

the layout I have suggested makes for easier retuning of the existing reeds. 

A poor reason for your choice!  You should decide what layout you want to play, then get the reeds you need.  The reed changes only have to be done once,  if you compromise playability that will anny you every time you play. :o
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Re: Your thoughts please
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2007, 07:41:57 PM »

the layout I have suggested makes for easier retuning of the existing reeds. 

A poor reason for your choice!  You should decide what layout you want to play, then get the reeds you need.  The reed changes only have to be done once,  if you compromise playability that will anny you every time you play. :o
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