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Can you identify the boxes?
« on: September 13, 2016, 02:15:11 PM »

Hello,
may be somebody can identify two "new" boxes?
Nothing is written outside and inside too on both of them.
I am very interesting in photos or scans from catalog for brown one - some details are missing and needs to be restored.
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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2016, 02:16:25 PM »

second ("brown")
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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2016, 06:19:44 PM »

I've seen a picture of one of the Flannagan Brothers (of NYC) playing a box with a keyboard that looked like the first of your boxes.  As I recall the rest of the woodwork was white.  I'd guess the picture was taken in the 1920s.
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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2016, 08:41:00 PM »

Thank you.
First arrived from Germany. Reeds are zinc with O letter; G/C, two voices.
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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2016, 09:01:38 PM »

second ("brown")

It's the same model as this one that Theo was asking about four years ago (but I've only just seen, sorry Theo!), and the metal pallets in both strongly suggest they were made by (Hohner's rivals) Koch in Trossingen in the 1920s.

It's their "No 3182 S  25 Keys, 8 Basses, Steel Reeds, Genuine Russian Tuning ... Price each $35.00" in a U.S. Ands. Koch catalog that I have (with an additional updated, reduced, Price List for July 1 1920 inside it).

Hohner continued to market similar ones as "Polish or Russian Model Accordions" after they took over Koch.

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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2016, 09:12:25 PM »

The first ("black") one has a grille that's strongly reminiscent of some boxes made in Klingenthal in the 1930s.

I made a long reply about similar instruments with faux piano keyboards in this old thread from 2009: "Vintage Ludwig Piano Accordion" but not off-topic

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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2016, 10:23:30 PM »

second ("brown")

It's the same model as this one that Theo was asking about four years ago (but I've only just seen, sorry Theo!), and the metal pallets in both strongly suggest they were made by (Hohner's rivals) Koch in Trossingen in the 1920s.

It's their "No 3182 S  25 Keys, 8 Basses, Steel Reeds, Genuine Russian Tuning ... Price each $35.00" in a U.S. Ands. Koch catalog that I have (with an additional updated, reduced, Price List for July 1 1920 inside it).

Hohner continued to market similar ones as "Polish or Russian Model Accordions" after they took over Koch.

Hello,
I was searching forum but not successfully.
It's amazing. My very best accordions are Koch. Last one arrived today. May be you can scan or take picture of this page in Koch catalog? Or may be it's possible online?
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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2016, 01:19:17 AM »

May be you can scan or take picture of this page in Koch catalog?

I'll see what I can do when I'm not as tired, but my scanner is getting old and creaky, as is my computer, and also myself, whilst my internet connection is pretty awful too...  :(

But there is an illustration of a similar style "Polish or Russian model" in a c.1930 Hohner catalogue;

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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2017, 10:22:29 PM »

May be the black one is "Royal Standard"?
recently sold on eBay 3 row 3 voices "Royal Standard" Fis/B/E with the grill identical to my.
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No any sign of manufacturer on photos too, "Royal Standard" only in description.
BTW - my G/C sounds great  (:)
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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2017, 02:28:26 PM »

The second appears identical to a Hohner I have closely matching Triskel's 1930 catalog scan for the Polish/Russian model. This one still has the removeable grill and 8 bass/chord spoons. Mine is in CF. I am willing to sell as-is or restored if anyone is interested.

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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2017, 12:46:33 PM »

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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2018, 08:41:20 AM »

can somebody identify new toy?
seller's photos from ad there
Meinel & Herold?
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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2018, 07:22:56 AM »

any ideas?
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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2018, 07:44:15 AM »

I should think that it cold be anyone's guess. Meinel and Herold? Why not!

If, like me, you follow the numerous fascinating threads where Stephen Chambers and Paul Groff debate the various styles and cross-over features of a thousand and one boxes, it must surely become apparent that many named boxes, never mind unnamed boxes seem to be real mongrels. i.e. This part is identical to such and such a manufacturer, but this other part is reminiscent of such and such's earlier version, etc etc ad infinitum!

It seems to me that there were just too many makers manufacturing for too many badges, the same as is currently happening with the Chinese factories.
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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2018, 03:03:17 AM »

Meinel & Herold?

There's nothing with the same grille in my (1936?) Meinel & Herold catalogue, but it's really quite a "generic" Klingenthal type of instrument... :-\

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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2018, 09:07:54 PM »

Arrived.
Reeds with six corner stars. Stamps on reedblocks "Paul Krüpiganss" and two words I can't reed. Manufacturer or repairer?
May be first.
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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2018, 09:28:24 PM »

Andrius, I'm intrigued by the half-moon shaped filed (?) bit on the valve side of the reed slot! What's its purpose, anyone?
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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2018, 09:46:12 PM »

If I understand correct - small piece of wood? Four like this limits place for reed blocks from sides.
But it isn't half-moon form, more near to irregular quadrangle
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Re: Can you identify the boxes?
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2018, 10:23:11 PM »

Andrius, I'm intrigued by the half-moon shaped filed (?) bit on the valve side of the reed slot! What's its purpose, anyone?
Good question, they don't look equal some look like more material is gone and it makes me wonder if maybe something was rubbing it during tuning or filing of the inner reed.
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