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Re: Folk Degree Newcastle Uni - Your thoughts (not just melodeon players)
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2017, 01:09:53 PM »

The expression about 'preserving' tradition  - that it should be fanning the flames rather than preserving the ashes - is one I agree with. I'm also guilty of trying to write new pieces for the melodeon - and may have said that I'm trying to write melodeon tunes in a [French] folk influenced style. I am aware that as not one single soul has ever played anything I've written, that I can't claim to have written folk music. Although many living performers have pieces of theirs regularly played in a variety of settings.
I really enjoy the discipline of writing tunes, and don't mind if they never see the light of day, let alone gain popularity.
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Re: Folk Degree Newcastle Uni - Your thoughts (not just melodeon players)
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2017, 01:18:34 PM »

I think we have to separate traditional folk music, and music written in the folk idiom. I'd rather people wrote new songs and tunes in the folk style, than F**K (asterisks again) about,  with traditional tunes to their detriment (Tune and tunesmiths) Sometimes I think they're confusing folk music with jazz  >:E
After all, many of McColls songs are standard fare in folk clubs, all of which were written within living memory.


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Re: Folk Degree Newcastle Uni - Your thoughts (not just melodeon players)
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2017, 03:34:07 PM »

 if instead of thinking in terms of tunes , folk or otherwise, being written or composed and substitute ''thought up''   then any tune liked/played/sung , ancient  or modern, that is liked by so called 'folkies' such as many/most of us is a folk tune.

In other words if we like a tune or song  who gives a shite as to  its  alleged legitimacy or otherwise - or something like that!

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Re: Folk Degree Newcastle Uni - Your thoughts (not just melodeon players)
« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2017, 05:03:00 PM »

I think we have to separate traditional folk music, and music written in the folk idiom. I'd rather people wrote new songs and tunes in the folk style, that F**K (asterisks again) about,  with traditional tunes to their detriment (Tune and tunesmiths) Sometimes I think they're confusing folk music with jazz  >:E
After all, many of McColls songs are standard fare in folk clubs, all of which were written within living memory.

Tunes don't just materialise out of thin air by themselves. All tunes were originally composed by someone, although we may no longer know who that person was. If the tune was useful - e.g. helped in worship in churches and monasteries, encouraged sailors to heave on ropes, soldiers to march, or if it became a popular tune for dancing, etc. then people would have remembered it and perhaps re-wrote it down (if it hadn't already been notated). When we say a tune is 'traditional' what we are really saying is that we don't know who wrote it, but we like it well enough to keep on playing it.

Sometimes the tune is labelled 'traditional' by mistake or through ignorance of the composer. John Kirkpatrick's 'Jump at the Sun' is a case in point - I'm told it gets called 'John Patterson (traditional)' in some French speaking areas of Canada. ;) (or is this a folkie myth?)
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Re: Folk Degree Newcastle Uni - Your thoughts (not just melodeon players)
« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2017, 05:24:28 PM »

The essence of Ollie King's new cd is exactly this - tradition uses tunes that are popular at the time and brings them into the 'folk fold' . His opening two tracks are well known hymns.
In a current thread Chris Ryall was saying the French play 'Jump at the sun' as a dance tune and claim it is a traditional French tune!
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Re: Folk Degree Newcastle Uni - Your thoughts (not just melodeon players)
« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2017, 01:36:24 PM »


...Also, what about these 2 characters playing at the Phoenix Club in Newcastle?   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GGzBNHNK7U&feature=youtu.be&list=PLVufORD3WShQPgcgCuptqH1IPj24YcAzM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWHvPNGxGGM&feature=youtu.be&list=PLVufORD3WShQPgcgCuptqH1IPj24YcAzM

That is entertainment at it's best. These two are brilliant. I'll will happily pay money to see them if I get a chance.

Bye the bye, I only know one graduate of the course, Chloe Jones, sometime fiddler for my side, Dartmoor Border Morris (who speaks very highly of a certain Theo). The only downside that I can see to her doing the cours is that she seems to have decamped permanently to the north east and we miss her :-)
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Re: Folk Degree Newcastle Uni - Your thoughts (not just melodeon players)
« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2017, 01:41:55 PM »

Greg, it's an ill wind that blows nobody any good! What, with this course gaining us fabulous musicians (even if only for the duration of their stay) and the NE Playgroup.......it seems that we're at last going to be the place to be once more!
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Re: Folk Degree Newcastle Uni - Your thoughts (not just melodeon players)
« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2017, 04:09:56 PM »

Re engaging with the audience. I've been to two concerts recently. Both of them had minimal 'engagement with the audience'. In the first they came onto the stage and bowed to the audience and played. That was it. In the second, apart from a good evening, there was nothing. The first concert was the Halle orchestra in the Bridgwater Hall, and the second Tinariwen in Kendal. Both great concerts played by excellent musicians. I'm not saying that performers in a folk context shouldn't engage with the audience, but surely what we want from the degree course is a high standard of playing that will help create role models for younger players to follow.   
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