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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2017, 06:59:27 PM »

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Yes it's not a lot of fun, only surpassed as an unpopular job by the box where some clever person has used silicone to glue the bellows frames to the ends

I think I may be bidding on one like that at the moment, but I want it...  :(

No problem, just send it to Theo if it turns out to be glued !   ;D
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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2017, 07:03:05 PM »

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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2017, 07:24:26 PM »

Anybody understand Geordie?


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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2017, 07:25:27 PM »

It's French!
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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2017, 07:35:26 PM »

I don't know how to measure bellows, so I am baffled, but these seem to be the same size as my old bellows. So does anyone think they's fit?

Sir John

http://www.cgmmusical.co.uk/CGM_Musical_Services/Bellows_Tape.html#15
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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2017, 08:03:08 PM »

Those bellows are designed to fit a Pokerwork-style instrument with slim, modern frames; your Koch has old-style wide frames, and aside from any size issues I'd be doubtful if they could be persuaded to fit comfortably. I could be entirely wrong - more experienced hands than I will soon tell us if I am, but personally I would bite the bullet and do a full refurb on the existing bellows, or else get a custom-made replacement using  the original frames.  I have no experience of  these Chinese products, but I'm guessing it's a bit like pattern parts compared with original manufacturer's parts in car restoration - they sort of fit, but take a lot of fiddling and fettling to get them to sit right and look as if they belong. Again, I could be quite wrong.

I'd also be a bit worried on the aesthetic front  by a modern-looking bellows on an old instrument. Just my opinion - it's your box, and your decision. Best of luck whatever you decide.

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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2017, 08:59:35 PM »

I tend to agree Graham, I suppose I'm just trying to avoid a job, that promises to be a bugger to do.

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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2017, 09:42:36 PM »

Yes it's not a lot of fun, only surpassed as an unpopular job by the box where some clever person has used silicone to glue the bellows frames to the ends

I think I may be bidding on one like that at the moment, but I want it...  :(

No problem, just send it to Theo if it turns out to be glued !   ;D

Never fear, I have my trusty Kugihiki!  8)
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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2017, 09:59:42 PM »

I don't know how to measure bellows, so I am baffled, but these seem to be the same size as my old bellows. So does anyone think they's fit?

Sir John

http://www.cgmmusical.co.uk/CGM_Musical_Services/Bellows_Tape.html#15

If you want new bellows I recommend Igor

http://vsezaharmoniko.com/sestavni-deli-za-harmoniko/mehi-za-harmoniko?product_id=102

You can send him your old ones on the frames and he returns them with new bellows or, as I do, specify fully what you want and they appear in a couple of weeks. I've had a couple of sets and both my customers were very happy with them.
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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2017, 10:51:30 PM »

Anybody understand Geordie?
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You need this Sir John, or this, or drop me a PM and you can borrow my copy  >:E
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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2017, 08:44:50 AM »

It's French!

Surely it's the sound a monkey makes.  They just don't know the difference between frogs and monkeys up there.😉
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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2017, 10:31:56 AM »

I don't know how to measure bellows, so I am baffled, but these seem to be the same size as my old bellows. So does anyone think they's fit?

Sir John

http://www.cgmmusical.co.uk/CGM_Musical_Services/Bellows_Tape.html#15

If you want new bellows I recommend Igor

http://vsezaharmoniko.com/sestavni-deli-za-harmoniko/mehi-za-harmoniko?product_id=102

You can send him your old ones on the frames and he returns them with new bellows or, as I do, specify fully what you want and they appear in a couple of weeks. I've had a couple of sets and both my customers were very happy with them.

I shall do just that thing. Having looked closely at the existing ones, I find that there is no metal corner under the repair tape, and the bellows are worn through on one corner, where they are attached to the frame. So it's a much bigger job than retaping.
I assume that it is best to remove the straps, metal corners, and screws etc, before sending them to Igor?


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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2017, 10:52:51 AM »

I tend to agree Graham, I suppose I'm just trying to avoid a job, that promises to be a bugger to do.

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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2017, 11:04:58 AM »

I don't know how to measure bellows, so I am baffled, but these seem to be the same size as my old bellows. So does anyone think they's fit?

Sir John

http://www.cgmmusical.co.uk/CGM_Musical_Services/Bellows_Tape.html#15

If you want new bellows I recommend Igor

http://vsezaharmoniko.com/sestavni-deli-za-harmoniko/mehi-za-harmoniko?product_id=102

You can send him your old ones on the frames and he returns them with new bellows or, as I do, specify fully what you want and they appear in a couple of weeks. I've had a couple of sets and both my customers were very happy with them.

Another Vote for Igors Bellows, I send him the old frames and Miraculously a couple of weeks later the new Bellows appear, I now have 4 sets on various boxes, and have absolutely no complaints about the workmanship, service, or Especially the price.
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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2017, 01:18:56 PM »

If and when you get your replacement bellows, please post a pic or two; I'd be very interested to see them  I'm glad I had the experience of rebuilding my Koch bellows, but it's not one I'd look forward to repeating if I'm faced with another box of that kind of vintage!

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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2017, 07:33:24 PM »

Firstly, I have sent a contact email to Igor via his site, and have not yet had a reply.
Secondly, I have bought myself a 10 m/m punch to make discs to hold the pallets onto the arms. I don't have any leather, but I do have a lot of heavy duty rot proof canvas. Do we agree that this will do the job OK?


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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2017, 01:12:31 AM »

I have bought myself a 10 m/m punch to make discs to hold the pallets onto the arms. I don't have any leather, but I do have a lot of heavy duty rot proof canvas. Do we agree that this will do the job OK?

Yes it will do the job Ok, but a bit like overkill in terms of strength and thickness! An old linen hankie or shirt will do just as well. Stiffen the material with dilute PVA glue (approx 70% water 30% glue) and allow to dry flat. It makes it easier to punch out the disks without the material collapsing into wrinkles. 
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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2017, 07:20:10 AM »

The PVA (or similar) will also stop the material fraying. I found a piece of scrap MDF worked well as a cutting surface.
Similarly, an old cotton hankie (pref clean, but it's your instrument) or piece from an old sheet may be used. 
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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2017, 09:20:25 AM »


Similarly, an old cotton hankie (pref clean, but it's your instrument) or piece from an old sheet may be used.

Seconded.  Canvas might be unnecessarily stiff and heavy. 
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Re: First attempt at box fettling
« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2017, 10:06:05 AM »

Just bought a bag of scrap leather bits. So I will see what that looks like when it arrives.

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