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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2007, 11:58:54 AM »

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You come from a small country that was recently occupied. You fought and expelled the Russians. ...

Nice story Bill, but you need to check your facts, Finland was never occupied. I'm a bit sensitive about this as it gets on my national bride, or what ever is left of it. In fact, it is estimated that about a million Russian soldiers died on the border trying to (and a quarter of million Finnish soldiers).  After we ran out of military supplies and other resources during the last massive attack we had to negotiate a peace losing Carelia, the South East side of the country. We were the only country to pay all of it's war indemnity (to Russia) in the WWII. Ask the Swedes and Estonians and some other nationalities, there were many voulunteers from there fighting on the border with the Finns, they will tell you.

You didn't read your story from a Welsh history book Bill, now did you?   ;)
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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2007, 01:22:02 PM »

To get back on the topic, which CD would you recommend to get a good grasp of Morris? If there is one representing many of the different styles that would be wellcome, the melodeon as the lead instrument of course.
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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2007, 02:50:52 PM »

Risto,
Go to Lester's site and download his Morris tunes, they're Cotswold but none the worst for that.
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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2007, 03:42:15 PM »

Risto:
            The "Morris On" CD is still good news.
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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2007, 04:28:00 PM »

I would recommend both 'The Magic of Morris' and 'The Magic of Morris 2'. Both are double CD's. There are some feild recordings (from actual performances), some morris music (like Morris On) and some morris recorded in a studio. It's a great set, and covers the music of Cotswold and Border, but not very much Nort-West clog, and no Molly.

Still a great set.

Also, for morris with a difference, Fairport Convention member, and morris man, Chris Leslie recorded Dancing Days in 2003. Quite a lot of his Buddhist influence in there, as far and sound goes, so it is quite different. Both of these are available from Talking Elephant, but the website is down at the moment.
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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2007, 05:32:39 PM »

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I would recommend both 'The Magic of Morris' and 'The Magic of Morris 2'....

Searching those led me to these links:

http://www.concertina.info/shilling/music.html
http://www.themorrisring.org/more/tunes_examples.html
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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2007, 06:32:49 PM »

Now go away and train some more WRC, F! and MotoGP drivers. Now there's a thought, Morris Side Racing.........................................

Some dodgy tv company recently staged a race between a Morris Dancer and a Morris Minor. The morris dancer was Steve Edgington of the World Famous Hammersmith Morris Men. He tells me that various versions were filmed including one where the car driver had to do a Le Mans style start. The one that was screened had the car winning by a narrow margin.
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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2007, 06:38:50 PM »

Risto,
Go to Lester's site and download his Morris tunes, they're Cotswold but none the worst for that.
Old Bill.

That will be http://lester.bailey.googlepages.com/ then.

Recommend Magic of Morris if only because I'm on it :-)

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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2007, 08:01:27 PM »

Risto,
You come from a small country that was recently occupied. You fought and expelled the Russians. We Welsh work in a slightly more subtle manner.

Er, wasn't Wales "abolished" by Henry VIII, an act that has never been undone to this day. At least Finland has some more recent provenance...
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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2007, 09:44:45 PM »

To get back on the topic, which CD would you recommend to get a good grasp of Morris? If there is one representing many of the different styles that would be wellcome, the melodeon as the lead instrument of course.

Risto, listen to Plain Capers by John K. Re-issued recently after a gap of 20 or more years. He plays a wide variety of Cotswold Morris tunes from various traditions on his normal repertoire of squeeze boxes (mainly concertina and melodeon).

The Morris On family of albums are also good (I prefer the first few), although the occasional track veers away from being 'danceable'.

However there are a number of other 'english' morris traditions which have not been discussed - North West, molly, border, etc etc and the sword dance traditions....

I believe our colleagues in other parts of the United Kingdom also have traditional dances :)

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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2007, 11:04:31 PM »

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Er, wasn't Wales "abolished" by Henry VIII, an act that has never been undone to this day. At least Finland has some more recent provenance...

Ok, but if talking about 'recent' the Finns are one of the oldest nations in Europe, they inhabitated the Scandinavia area long before the Swedes came here. (The world's oldest fishing net was found from Karelia dating back ca 10,000 years). Long back in the history the Finns were widely spread in the vast land and did not have organized armies to defend themselves, but the Land of the Finns clearly is not recent by any means. 

What really is interesting is that the origin of all us Homo Sapiens has recently been DNA dated back to Africa ca. 150,000 years ago, apparently to only 12 women. Besides that, the DNA tests show that there is only minor genetic variation between the peoples of Europe, the Finns included.  I know my roots coming from Hugenots escaping from France, also from Germany and Sweden a couple of centuries ago, but in the big picture where you live has very little value because in the end we all are black and Africans.  ;)
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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2007, 11:26:44 PM »

but in the big picture where you live has very little value because in the end we all are black and Africans.  ;)

So the Morris dancers who black up are truly going back to their roots.

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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2007, 11:48:02 PM »

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Er, wasn't Wales "abolished" by Henry VIII, an act that has never been undone to this day. At least Finland has some more recent provenance...

Ok, but if talking about 'recent' the Finns are one of the oldest nations in Europe, they inhabitated the Scandinavia area long before the Swedes came here.

Er, while Finns might rightly have a sense of (their long) history, like Americans (who have none, relatively speaking) it seems they have no sense of irony.  This was a dig at the Welsh (no biters yet), not Finns. Anyway, when did Finns identify with Scandinavia?
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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2007, 07:42:27 AM »

Risto,
You come from a small country that was recently occupied. You fought and expelled the Russians. We Welsh work in a slightly more subtle manner.

Er, wasn't Wales "abolished" by Henry VIII, an act that has never been undone to this day. At least Finland has some more recent provenance...
Young Mr. Edinburgh,
You have performed a great service for Wales and the United Kingdom.
You have proved that Charlie (Dumbo) Windsor does not exist.
Now back to Morris. Have a Look at Rattlejag Morris, they perform East Midlands dances to such esoteric instrumentation as Lincolnshire Bagpipes playing real East Midland Tunes (mostly).
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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2007, 11:04:06 AM »

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Recommend Magic of Morris if only because I'm on it :-)

Ok, the next time I order CDs from Amazon I'll promise to take this one.

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So the Morris dancers who black up are truly going back to their roots.

Haha, that was funny, but tell me why they really do that?


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...it seems they have no sense of irony. This was a dig at the Welsh (no biters yet), not Finns.

They? Are you judging a whole nation by just one person and who isn't even an aboriginal?   ;)
Besides, I quite well understood you were digging at C age ing. 

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Anyway, when did Finns identify with Scandinavia?

Yes, you are right of course, though these days nobody really uses the term 'Fenno-Scandinavia', except the scolars.
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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2007, 12:18:02 PM »

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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2007, 12:42:27 PM »

There are also new dances, that are a bit weird..[/b][/u]
Brittannia Coconut Dancers - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sNbGYRSsV8g&feature=related

Wouldn't let the nutters hear you saying their dance is new and not based on a long standing tradition.

Their tunes are wonderful but the dances and dress sense is decidedly odd!

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« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2007, 12:53:30 PM »

There are also new dances, that are a bit weird..[/b][/u]
Brittannia Coconut Dancers - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sNbGYRSsV8g&feature=related

Wouldn't let the nutters hear you saying their dance is new and not based on a long standing tradition.

Their tunes are wonderful but the dances and dress sense is decidedly odd!

OK, fair enough. I didn't know that. Thanks for that

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Re: What is Morris?
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2007, 01:16:58 PM »

However there are a number of other 'english' morris traditions which have not been discussed - North West, molly, border, etc etc
Have a look at my reply No.7 near the beginning of this thread!
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« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2007, 03:19:37 PM »

Oh come on Steve, you don't actually think that people read and digest the posts before replying? They reply to what they wish you had said, after all this is Melnet which means you should be interested in melodeons. That could earn you a Section 47 any time.
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