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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2009, 07:33:26 AM »

Gosh, that's a corker of a tune! :M (just testing).

But F minor's a bugger on CF box. Maybe that why he's playing on CBA?

[edit]The 'click on' tunes are very interesting too. eg and the latter in Eb, on a really cute box of a type I've never seen before seen just once before in a shop in Interlaken 2003

Guessing - these might be from the South though? [unguessing] .. keep on up that Rhine!
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2009, 10:38:18 AM »

Gosh, that's a corker of a tune! :M (just testing).

But F minor's a bugger on CF box. Maybe that why he's playing on CBA?
Agreed Chris, it is amazing playing! But it is not a CBA, but a 4-row diatonic box (GCFBb maybe, or DGCF?)
If you read the description it says "Schottisch von Marcel Oetiker gespielt auf einer diat. Handorgel der Marke Eichhorn (kein Akkordeon!)"
which translates roughly as:
"Scottisch by Marcel Oetiker played on a diatonic melodeon of the brand name 'Eichhorn' (not an accordion!)"

Handorgel = 'hand organ' = what we would call a melodeon. The brand name Eichhorn translates as 'Oak horn'. Not too dissimilar from Oakwood  ;)
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2009, 12:03:51 PM »

Is it physically possible to get reeds for four rows in the end of a melodeon? There's at least 2 voices going there - 8 gangs needed. And it's a 12/13/12/11 layout Eek

Hey, isn't that bass gorgeous .....


[edit] Do you mean B/C/C#/D, Al?
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2009, 12:09:56 PM »

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Is it physically possible to get reeds for four rows in the end of a melodeon? There's at least 2 voices going there - 8 gangs needed. Eek
Hey, and isn't that bass gorgeous .....

Aha! Another potential recruit to the world of BCC# and stradella bass!
AL >:E
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2009, 01:00:53 PM »

Found an Oitiker myspace page - hot stuff! (4 track samples onsite). This is Swiss rather than German it seems. And that box I didn't recognise is also Swiss style. I vaguely recall one from my Alpine trip.
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2009, 01:05:53 PM »

Is it physically possible to get reeds for four rows in the end of a melodeon? There's at least 2 voices going there - 8 gangs needed.
I don't see why not. After, all a 3-voice CBA would have reeds for 5 rows, and they can be quite compact, especially if they are only 72 or 96 bass boxes.
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2009, 01:10:50 PM »

Indeed Chris, this clip is Swiss - instrument looks like an extended form of Schwyzerörgeli -which in it's usual form is Bb/Eb with gleichton, and an inner row of odds and sods. Schwyzerörgeli usually have a distinctive reed chamber construction, which 'colours' the sound distinctively - this box seems to sound more 'accordion-like'...

This clip gives more of an alpine like flavour, and more diatonic interplay...

Aha! Another potential recruit to the world of BCC# and stradella bass!

Kind of closer than you think... I recall mention that the first Shand Morino type instruments were actually constructed under subcontract in Switzerland in the mid/late 40s (when Hohner's German factories were in a bit of a state)... notice the symmetrical bass end on the box in the clips (which looks kind of 50s/60s?), which looks similar to Sgnr. Morino's preferences...

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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2009, 01:34:50 PM »

... it's usual form is Bb/Eb with gleichton, and an inner row of odds and sods. Ed

.. and F being the 'natural' minor on an Eb row. Gestalt!

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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2009, 10:06:03 PM »

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I find it odd that the melodeon is so thought of as German in orgin, yet we scrape to find examples of German music played on one.

Here a few sites where you can find typical German music:
http://www.volksmusik.cc/
http://www.volkstanznoten.de/
http://members.yline.com/~arizona/mp3.htm
http://www.sins942.ch/noten_dreigesang.html
http://www.peter-ganther.de/ie/musik.html
http://www.musicanet.org/robokopp/Volksong.html

On most of this sites are links to other German sites.
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2009, 06:55:24 AM »

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I find it odd that the melodeon is so thought of as German in orgin, yet we scrape to find examples of German music played on one.

Here a few sites where you can find typical German music:
Yes, particularly www.volkstanznoten.de
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2009, 07:51:41 PM »

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That is correct Sebastian.

Well as far as I know is the situation in Germany similar as in Holland. I lot of older people play the melodeon. Last year I bought about ten Hohner CF melodeons in Germany (ment to rent for students). I always ask wat the history is from the instrument. The story behind the instrument is always the same. It was the instrument from my father or grandfather. But the son or daughter who sells the instrument is not interested.

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Well as far as I know (when they play) the Germans mostly play on a CF melodeon. On every spot in Germany where I look on the net they sell CF melodeons.

In Holland we have the same problem as in Germany, melodeon playing is popular in the group of people from 50 and older an then mostly woman. It is difficult to find young people who are interested in this instrument. So melodeon websites are just a handful in Holland as well as in Germany.
Iam fascinated that this forum is so popular and in other countries I see it also, but in Holland a friend of mine started a forum on a popular melodeon site, about two new messages in a week is normal!! In Germany I not even found a melodeonforum.
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2009, 09:32:33 PM »

Iam fascinated that this forum is so popular and in other countries I see it also, but in Holland a friend of mine started a forum on a popular melodeon site, about two new messages in a week is normal!! In Germany I not even found a melodeonforum.
There is none. However, you can find some accordion fora (PA and CBA). (Today when I walked back from work I met three different accordion players, buskers. All played PA.)

I was under the impression that there are plenty of two row players in the Netherlands (as there are plenty of Steirisch-ists in Bavaria)?
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2009, 09:50:33 PM »

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you can find some accordion fora (PA and CBA).

You are not the first that uses the code PA and CBA. But what does it mean?
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2009, 10:21:41 PM »

Piano Accordion, and Continental Button Accordion, like this guy is playing.
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2009, 10:31:57 PM »

Piano Accordion, and Continental Button Accordion, like this guy is playing.
Interesting. I thought Chromatic Button Accordion. ::)
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2009, 09:18:33 AM »

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CBA refers to instruments which are essentially PAs in disguise, and therefore for wimps.
An offensive remark - even on a melodeon website - given that PA's are heavier, have more buttons & keys, are technically more challenging to play, and are able to be played in a wider range of keys.

Given that melodeons are lighter and generally easier to play one could be forgiven for thinking that in fact the melodeon was designed with 'wimps' in mind?
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2009, 11:18:39 AM »

I occasionally duet with the piano accordionist Harriet Bartlett. She plays an expensive 72 bass instrument.
I have a low B push on the first button of my G row (D/G melodeon).
We play a tune called Bombus Terrestris (latin for bumblebee). It starts on the low B and works it's way up the two rows, through a B minor arpeggio (all on the push - B D F# B D F# B D F# B) right to the last button (high B) on the G row.
Harriet can't play it as she doesn't have enough Bees.
Melodeon - 1. PA - nil points.
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2009, 12:22:27 PM »

Rees - how can you compare yourself to the gorgeous Harriet??? All she needs is a proper size accordion - not that half-size box that she plays...
Personally Harriet gets all of my points ;)
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2009, 01:16:54 PM »

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I believe that the standard 41-key layout is F to A, which includes only two bees.
Well not on my 41/120. The range is F - A but has 3 b's???
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Re: German C/F Melodeon
« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2009, 01:29:45 PM »

Iam fascinated that this forum is so popular and in other countries I see it also, but in Holland a friend of mine started a forum on a popular melodeon site, about two new messages in a week is normal!!
If you refer to the one on trekzakpagina: I'm afraid to use it due to some severe security bugs. There's also a dutch melodeon yahoo group with a lot of users, and a folkdance forum that's used by quite a few melodeon players. And of course some players also use this wonderful forum  ;)
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