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What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« on: November 25, 2017, 03:28:44 PM »

Toying with the idea of exploring a one row. I can't imagine this will ever overtake my desire to play cross row, but I thought it might force me to practise certain techniques that I can avoid on a two row.
As some of the tunes that the Village Band are playing are in A, which is not a key that lies well for me yet anyway, that might be a double reason for getting one - are they available in that key?

I should say that although I've not played one, holding a one row of the 2 bass shape felt less familiar for me, so I'd want to avoid that. And I have no need of more that 2 voices.
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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2017, 03:39:27 PM »

I have met them in C, D and G but not met one in A but that does not mean they don't exist.

ps Of course you need more than two voices  8)

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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2017, 03:56:20 PM »

That's the size of a microwave oven. Definitely not for me.
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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2017, 04:11:09 PM »

I should say that although I've not played one, holding a one row of the 2 bass shape felt less familiar for me, so I'd want to avoid that. And I have no need of more that 2 voices.
In my opinion, one-row instruments really only come to life with four voices: LMMH. The richness of the right-hand sound is a foil to the limited tonic and dominant basses/chords. You can get away with a lot of 'incorrect' left-hand chords on a LMMH box and they take on almost a percussion-like role. A two voice MM one-row doesn't do this nearly as well.

A 1-row 4-stop box doesn't have to be large. The standard Hohner 114 boxes are quite compact; the Cajun/Quebecois boxes are not much larger or heavier. The Castagnari Max and the Wesson Clippers are the most compact, and all have a truly glorious rich sound.

 
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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2017, 04:14:27 PM »

Besides G, C & D here are (left to right) Bb, A, F, Eb.

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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2017, 04:16:55 PM »

And those are "Vienna style" boxes.  The ones with stops and a growl box on the left are German style.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but these are much abused terms.
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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2017, 04:24:58 PM »

Hi Theo,

Agree: ( especially in a modern Hohner context ), "German style" 1-rows are the HA model melodeons with a growlbox, and "Vienna style" 1-row boxes are the ones with no growl box, no stops, and 4 basses on the casework. These terms definitely go back decades if not a century in the english-language Hohner catalogs.

So Lester's (beautiful!) Herfeld might be off-topic a bit.

But who owns these terms (lol)!

A variety of different kinds of 1-row boxes were made in Vienna - some with stops (even many stops) and some with growl boxes too -- and in a sense could any of these be fairly named "Vienna style?"

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1) Lubich, Wien: 1 row 4 stop, 2 basses, in G, MHHH; Hochholzer, Wien: 1 row 6 stop, 4 basses, in C# (LMMH melody voices plus 2 harmonizing voices).
2), 3), 4)  Lubich, Wien: 1 row 8 stop in G#, LLMMMHH melody voices plus 1 harmonizing voice. Sorry for the bad auction photos - will replace with my own better photo when I get the chance. This one has a growlbox, and also open treble button levers.
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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2017, 04:28:56 PM »

Perhaps it’s best just to call them “one rows” and ignore the Vienna/German terminology.
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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2017, 04:33:59 PM »

Two "Vienna" style boxes, both voiced MM with no stops and sans growlbox, from the early 20th century . . . but one was made in Italy

Left: Elite Echte Wiener Ziehharmonika, in C (only 2 basses but in a sense the ancestor of the Hohner Vienna models?)
Right: Sante Crucianelli, in low F; open treble button levers. I also have seen this same model in the keys of low G and in D.

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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2017, 04:55:02 PM »

lots of tunes in A can be played on a D one row ( as can tunes in D on a G box etc)  G sharpless ones are fairly easy  and those with a G#  can test ones skills at the noble art of faking

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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2017, 05:19:53 PM »

Here's some Irish traditional music on Hohner Vienna style 1-row boxes

Mike Brosnan in D, with the tuning dried out:

https://www.facebook.com/bookley/posts/10203897617636395

Alan Morrisroe and Paddy Joe Tighe on G boxes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Baq9mb6D0q4

Tommy Stanners, in C:

https://www.facebook.com/ciarank1/videos/vb.540769124/10154910607244125/?type=2&theater

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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2017, 07:07:10 PM »

I love the tone and the playing in that Mike Brosnan video. I have been considering drying out one of my 1040 boxes, now I  am inspired to do so.
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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2017, 07:45:36 PM »

I've spent years mesmerized by the idea of the one-row -- the purity of it -- and I finally spent time with one. It was very worthwhile! It helped me sort out ideas about how I want to play. But it never really "settled in" as part of my performance or practice.
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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2017, 08:22:24 PM »

That's what I'm expecting.
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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2017, 10:12:51 PM »

Sorry for the rather glib response, but the answer is "pretty well whatever you want", as a box can be retuned to more or less any key. If you're looking for "off the shelf"tunings, then I've come across them in C,G,D,A,Eb,E and Bb.  Some, of course, are much rarer than others......


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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2017, 04:32:22 AM »

What exactly is the "growl box"?
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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2017, 07:37:27 AM »

What exactly is the "growl box"?
It's the narrow, raised portion of the left-hand side of a one-row melodeon which functions as a hand grip and also houses the mechanism for the bass, chord and air buttons.

See attached photo. The growl box is on the right, with the hand strap attached to it.
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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2017, 08:48:11 AM »

Leaving aside Lester's boastful distraction, I'd agree that you need a 4 voice (LMMH) box, and the growl box which has a distinctive sound of its own, especially if it's Hohner. A one-row melodeon is not just half of a two row melodeon: those extra reeds and the acoustic design definitely add something that make it rather a different instrument. (Steve has explained why)
There is something very satisfying about playing a one row box, which you won't understand until you've tried it and only then if you like the sort of music that works well on it. That's more than you might think, and there are some tunes and musical styles that only sound right on a one row.
You won't ever want to trade in your two row, but you may well want to keep both.
I got a lot of my early one-row experience on a box in A, so they do exist.
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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2017, 09:09:27 AM »

There is a 114C and a 1040C for sale on this page.
http://www.jollyrogeraccordions.co.uk/for-sale/

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Re: What keys do Vienna one rows come in?
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2017, 11:44:45 AM »

Just had an unfortunate ebay.de experience, but it is resolved and someone else may be interested (I tried copying a phrase into google translate to see if the seller was taking offers on this immaculate Hohner Pressedwood one row in C, but managed to click on a buy it now button while doing it!). Contaced seller immediately and chased it up this morning with Ebay uk who have confirmed that I haven't bought it - rather that the seller got my message I suppose).
Anyway, here's the link to a time warp Hohner Vienna one row.
https://www.ebay.de/itm/152778313034
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