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Maggie

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A/D melodeon
« on: January 07, 2018, 01:41:44 PM »

As a G/C player, I have a lovely choice of tunes to learn and play, but I would like to be able to go to the odd festival or session in the UK and it seems that D/G boxes are popular.  Given that I can already play in G, would a melodeon in A/D be a good choice?  Am I right in thinking that this would transpose my C tunes to D (and G to A) without changing the fingering?

I don’t think I have seen any A/D melodeons for sale, are they available?

My apologies if I am asking silly questions!

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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2018, 02:11:11 PM »

No it is not a silly question and I can see why an AD would be tempting. The only thing is that I think it would limit you in the tunes available to you, not least those that switch key. I play a DG and use both rows in most tunes, whether in they key of D or G (or A even!)
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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2018, 02:11:48 PM »

I've only played one AD melodeon, when DTN came to visit.
It was a Loffet Gret e Breizh and was glorious. Sadly my plot to hang on to it failed and it went back home with him  :(
They are options available from new by various makers, as DTN spec'd this from Loffet.
I have seen second hand ones available, and I think some older Hohners...... not common but also not unheard of.

Sorry cannot help with your transposing question.
Speaking from personal experience, no question seen on here is silly  ;)
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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2018, 02:13:59 PM »

I agree with Mike, DG is the common choice here for a variety of reasons. AD boxes can be lovely though. I'd ask yourself whether the tunes you already know are at all likely to come up in any sessions you attend. If not, then you might have to bite the bullet and get a DG box and dedicate that box to the session tunes you want to learn.
I would try to get a 2 voice box of good quality rather than think of it as just for occasional use therefore it doesn't matter. And consider whether a 4th button start will allow you to play the tunes that are written with the violin range in mind.
You may have to build one row skills, as I have found GC tunes are often long phrases in one direction rather than rapid bellows changes that English session tunes need.
There was a Nik being sold on this site for a really good price.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2018, 02:18:19 PM by playandteach »
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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2018, 02:52:22 PM »

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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2018, 04:19:03 PM »

Am I right in thinking that this would transpose my C tunes to D (and G to A) without changing the fingering?

You are absolutely right. And if you will play D/G all your tunes in C will be transposed to G
Only pay attention to get the same system (club/non-club, low notes or acc), the same button start lets to feel more free

G/C is one of the lowest keys; A/D is near to it; D/G is one of highers - really big difference in sound.
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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2018, 04:44:30 PM »

Certainly most sessions in England are centred around D and G, at least those devoted to "English" music  are, but an A/D box can be a nice change as a second box, its not as "squeaky" as D/G or as "growly as G/C, .... you could acquire one of each, then you would be O.K, for tunes in either key, plus a couple of extra keys, but your problem arises with tunes that modulate from G to D or  the other way round !!... for session playing a G/D is the easiest option unless you feel the desire to go fully chromatic !!
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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2018, 05:31:50 PM »

Thank you.  These replies have given me food for thought.  The idea of an A/D is quite attractive, I played a lovely wee D/G melodeon last summer and found it very high pitched, but there are quite a few tunes that do change key.  An A/D/G box might be a good solution, apart from the weight and size - and probably price!

I have seen the ad for the A/D melodeon.  I have really limited experience with melodeons and I have only played one elderly Hohner, but I didn’t like the way the buttons sank through the keyholes.  Are they all like that?

It may well be that I look for an inexpensive D/G melodeon just for learning English/Scottish tunes.

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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2018, 05:46:46 PM »

Best way is to buy accordion from repairer and to ask for key travel limitation
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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2018, 07:17:56 PM »

I don’t think I have seen any A/D melodeons for sale, are they available?

My impression is that most of them were made for export to the United States - so eBay.com, or American dealers, might be good places to look for one.
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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2018, 07:26:05 PM »

Maggie, I know exactly what you mean and understand your dislike of the finger down the hole syndrome. That and the sheer hard work to play always put me off.
Having played a properly fettled one I simply could not believe the difference - fingers didn't disappear and it was so responsive.
I now own two!
Buying one that has been restored and the action sorted makes it a different instrument altogether.
Try one if you are able.....
Cheers
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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2018, 08:33:33 PM »

There's an A/D Allesandrini that keeps coming up on Diatoccaz.fr
It's in Lyon, last advertised in March, but it is still possible to see the ad.
I was tempted myself a while back.
350 euros
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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2018, 08:48:30 PM »

There's an A/D Allesandrini that keeps coming up on Diatoccaz.fr

Thanks again - I have sent them a message.  M
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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2018, 10:17:42 PM »

A two voice DG is indeed a bit high... but the solution is to get a three voice LMM or possibly a LM box in DG, which allows use of the upper part of the keyboard without it sounding squeaky (L=low octave reed, M=middle/standard reed). Be aware though that LM is totally dry and tends not to carry in a session.

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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2018, 10:28:59 AM »

A two voice DG is indeed a bit high... but the solution is to get a three voice LMM or possibly a LM box in DG, which allows use of the upper part of the keyboard without it sounding squeaky (L=low octave reed, M=middle/standard reed). Be aware though that LM is totally dry and tends not to carry in a session.

I have an LM D/G pressed wood Hohner prepared for me by Mike Rowbotham. It certainly cuts out the squeakiness.The sound is an acquired taste , Mike called it "Fabulous". The other members of a band I play in call it ****** Loud.
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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2018, 11:25:52 AM »

You mentioned A/D/G boxes. Yes, a move up, size-wise, but a three-row fourth-apart box opens up all kinds of possibilities for extreme cross-rowing. ADG and GCF are popular here in Quebec and good players like Gaston Nolet and Frank Sears do quite amazing stuff on them.

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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2018, 12:46:51 PM »

As a G/C player, I have a lovely choice of tunes to learn and play, but I would like to be able to go to the odd festival or session in the UK and it seems that D/G boxes are popular.  Given that I can already

I don’t think I have seen any A/D melodeons for sale, are they available?

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if you are looking for Hohner, I have 2 in AD. red Erica and Poker work both GERMAN made and in 'as new' condition.
and German poker work in DG if you prefer DG  ;)
PM me if you'd like to see and hear them.
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Re: A/D melodeon
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2018, 12:55:20 PM »

Since I got my Hohner Pressed Wood reconditioned by and from Mike Rowbotham it's become my instrument of choice,  despite also owning 2 nice Salterelles. It has 4th button start with 'Anahata scale low notes'. I don't think you need 3 reed banks if you have a sweetly tuned D/G 2 row. I'd recommend such an instrument for anyone wanting to play English type tunes at sessions etc. All our restorers limit button travel and are in my experience helpful and friendly. These Hohners are also much more affordable than most modern continental boxes. Hope this helps. Mcg.
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