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Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« on: February 01, 2018, 01:22:04 PM »

Hi all ; this month's theme is the followup from last month's - any tune whose composer is not known, lost deep in the mists of time, and which is labelled as being composed by Mr Traditional. Which is a very, very, big set of tunes!

Have fun!

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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2018, 05:15:46 PM »

https://youtu.be/SSVA3qudfr4

Bonnie Kellswater: Transposed from Sam Henry's songs of the People where the song and tune are described as 'collected from J Carmichael of Waring St, Ballymena. Restructured/arranged by Bill, (whose middle names are John Carmichael which is nominally synchronous).

Thank you to Jo Arcand-Goodluck for sending me in search of a 'Kellswater' tune earlier in the week. I have no idea if this is the one she meant, but the find arose from that activity!

Tranposed from Eb to G and played AABB, so not as the song tune, and slightly faster than might be sung.

Apologies for the essay. Melody PDFs attached, lots of options on harmony, (works well in D also if you have the low b).

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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2018, 03:35:12 PM »

Quiet here innit....

Here's the Radstock Jig, played on the Preciosa in Bb/Eb (so we're in F minor here I think!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wJAukviUw4

Experimenting with new microphone (Zoom H2n), new mixing software (updated to Mixcraft 8 ) and thanks to the latest Windows 10 update which scuppered my old webcam, a new webcam. Didn't quite figure out aspect ratios in time for this recording; next time, eh?

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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2018, 01:08:48 PM »

First ever post (woohoo!) Thought I'd contribute with Tom Mellin's Hornpipe from John of the Green (perhaps not exactly lost to time but oh well...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9MSbA25C-0

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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2018, 02:04:13 PM »

First ever post (woohoo!) Thought I'd contribute with Tom Mellin's Hornpipe from John of the Green (perhaps not exactly lost to time but oh well...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9MSbA25C-0

Cheers,
Saul
That was superb! Very nicely played with a lovely steady rhythm and most imaginative basses and chords. Trying to fit melodeon left hand accompaniments to these triple-time hornpipes is not always straight forward, but you have got it just right in my opinion.
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2018, 02:10:53 PM »

First ever post (woohoo!) Thought I'd contribute with Tom Mellin's Hornpipe from John of the Green (perhaps not exactly lost to time but oh well...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9MSbA25C-0

Cheers,
Saul
Thanks, I really enjoyed that! I like those weird 3/2 hornpipes, although I'm interested in knowing how they were danced.
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2018, 02:14:34 PM »

The way Saul played that one it would work quite nicely as a Hanter dro.
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2018, 03:35:08 PM »

That was lovely Saul, thanks for that.
Yes, I'd love to know how these tunes were danced.

I've just recorded two tunes, so thought I'd share here.
The Gloucestershire Hornpipe.
https://soundcloud.com/thrupenny-bit/gloucestershire-hornpipe

Taken from the playing of Old Swan, and brings back memories of playing with Paul and Floss in the Radway at Sidmouth when playing concertina.
A firm session favourite down here.

A personal favourite, The Charming Maid.
https://soundcloud.com/thrupenny-bit/the-charming-maid

First heard from the playing of John Kirkpatrick, a brilliant tune.
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2018, 08:14:40 PM »


Thanks, I really enjoyed that! I like those weird 3/2 hornpipes, although I'm interested in knowing how they were danced.

Don't know how authentic this is. He's certainly doing something that is something  (:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6vPVIREgXQ

Edit to add Squeezy might know more. I believe he has a fair bit of experience of the beast.
Further edit to add Anahata seemed to be very knowledgeable when I asked a question about 3/2 and 6/4 tunes. Maybe he has experience of dancing to them.

btw, The example above is a clog dance, rather than a hornpipe.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2018, 08:27:35 PM by Tone Dumb Greg »
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2018, 08:19:16 PM »

You've just reminded me of something.... a friend is a 3/2  enthusiast and helped with John of the Greeny... I'll get in touch and report back if anything of significance comes....
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2018, 08:49:15 PM »

Loved the dance, Greg!
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2018, 08:55:00 PM »

You've just reminded me of something.... a friend is a 3/2  enthusiast and helped with John of the Greeny... I'll get in touch and report back if anything of significance comes....
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My understanding is that we have no actual dance figures for these 18th c triple hornpipes, just informed conjecture that people have used in revivals of the music.

Do you have the John of the Green book? I'm wondering if it's worth ordering. It would cost me £26 shipped from the UK to the States. I was blown away by John Kirkpatrick's rendition of the "title track" in his English Choice tunebook/CDs, and I'd like to learn more about these strange little tunes.
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2018, 10:17:57 PM »

I've just got a message from my friend. He's one of the acknowledged people inside the cover of John of the Greeny, a professional musician and a step dancer too. He *loves* 3/2 hornpipes!
I asked if he knew anything about the dances, whether they were step dances or social dances.
His reply is
"There are so many that it's probably likely that there was a step that everyone knew but wasn't written down. There are 3/2's in Playford with specific dances. The Cellar Door Key has a dance ( not sure if it's Playford ) also they're pretty similar to slip jigs so they can be used for strip the willow"
It's a fb message so he hasn't gone into details ( and he's on holiday! ) but from this I take it that some were step dances, some had specific social dances allotted to them and some could be used elsewhere for more common dances. My interpretation here.

Not sure if this moves us on, but his knowledge is far greater than mine.

I  do have John of the Greeny, it's a fascinating book. There are a lot of unusual tunes to mine, but some need transposing to get onto a DG box. They aren't for the faint hearted!
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2018, 10:54:49 PM »

You've just reminded me of something.... a friend is a 3/2  enthusiast and helped with John of the Greeny... I'll get in touch and report back if anything of significance comes....
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Do you have the John of the Green book? I'm wondering if it's worth ordering.

I can let you have an abc of the 3/2 tunes in the original "Greeny Cheshire Way". pm sent. It's on edition 3 now, much expanded, I believe.

There was an interesting thread on 3/2 hornpipes on mudcat, a wile back
https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=100071

Edit: Just noticed that Anahata has posted on this thread saying he thinks there is no record of the dances.

Further Edit: Found the on line copy of this
http://richardrobinson.tunebook.org.uk/Document/JohnotGCW
or abc
http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/England/Cheshire/Cheshire.html
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2018, 02:18:59 PM »

Jesse, you have JK's tune book.
There are a set of three 3/2 hornpipes in there to give you a flavour of them, and in a key that'll fit on your box.
It's a taster for you to try!
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2018, 03:25:12 PM »

First ever post (woohoo!) Thought I'd contribute with Tom Mellin's Hornpipe from John of the Green (perhaps not exactly lost to time but oh well...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9MSbA25C-0

Cheers,
Saul

Super arrangement Saul, and some excellent playing.  It looks easy enough on the video but I sat down to learn this one today and well...the tune itself is tricky enough with plenty of F-naturals, but the syncopated basses have me beaten for now.  Long-term project I think. 
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2018, 11:20:41 PM »

First ever post (woohoo!) Thought I'd contribute with Tom Mellin's Hornpipe from John of the Green (perhaps not exactly lost to time but oh well...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9MSbA25C-0

Cheers,
Saul

Hello Saul, very nicely done. Love the arrangement.
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2018, 05:38:17 PM »

Thought I'd have a bash at a pair of triple hornpipes - Cheshire Rounds and The Old Lancashire Hornpipe.  First heard all those years ago on the album that helped kickstart the English revival - Albion Band's Battle of the Field. Sorry about the knee which seems to be moving independently of the tune!
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2018: Traditional, Arranged...
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2018, 12:08:28 PM »

Here's a couple of Rants I put together recently - An Italian Rant from Playford and as a sideways nod to the tune of the month Portobellos Rant from volume one of Robin Shepherds excellent books of Joshua Jackson's collection of tunes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAFNuNr9TA8
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