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Jaz East End Gal

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Re: Finger control
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2018, 05:54:59 PM »

thanks for the tips especially hand exerciser which I have just ordered. Having now retired and joined a folk orchestra am playing more than ever, have noticed some loss of strength in finger especially little finger so hopefully this will do the job. 
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Re: Finger control
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2018, 10:54:00 PM »

thanks for the tips especially hand exerciser which I have just ordered. Having now retired and joined a folk orchestra am playing more than ever, have noticed some loss of strength in finger especially little finger so hopefully this will do the job.
What ever you do stick with it..it will take time..when you get it you will see how weak & non- independant your fingers are..start with three 'depressions' for each finger  do this five times..swap hands..repeat..rest..then repeat..do it watching TV/reading a book/driving(you'll only mainly do LH)..also sometimes leave it a couple of days to rest the hand, it will take you 4-6 months, but once you develop a routine it's great as is scales in 3rds  along rows & then start working out Xrowing scales in 3rds..six months..your good to go..Tex-mex(you might not like it) is worth watching as is a lot of south- american style.
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Re: Finger control
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2018, 11:48:11 PM »

Since I have short arms and small hands, I've been using 4 fingers when the bellows are more closed and 3 fingers when they're more open as my little finger can barely reach the F (C in D/G I think) button.
I've noticed I sometimes do a part using 4 fingers and then the repeat with 3 fingers without even thinking, even when the bellows are not that open. I suspect my brain prefers to be on the safe side and not miss a bass note.

Currently I put the band on the back of my hand but I tried the wrist position and it didn't seem to be very helpful. Not having a joint behind the corner of the instrument is a bit painful to the forearm and that's without talking about how my playing deteriorated (and it wasn't that good to begin with).
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Re: Finger control
« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2018, 09:11:28 AM »

just a thought - there are two schools of thought on how to attach the melodeon to the person - one strappers and two strappers and I am a strong advocate of the latter method  but am well aware that it is not for everybody.

To get to the point  If using two shoulder straps the    the wrist through bellows strap is only used to work the bellows  but not in any way to contribute towards the support of the box.  If using one strap it is probably more difficult to put the wrist through the bellwos strap as ?perhaps the fingers just coming over the top for the bass in some  way contributes to the stability of the box?

just a thought???

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Re: Finger control
« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2018, 09:47:42 AM »

just a thought - there are two schools of thought on how to attach the melodeon to the person - one strappers and two strappers and I am a strong advocate of the latter method  but am well aware that it is not for everybody.
There are three schools of thought 2 straps, one strap, and thumb strap

To get to the point  If using two shoulder straps the    the wrist through bellows strap is only used to work the bellows  but not in any way to contribute towards the support of the box.  If using one strap it is probably more difficult to put the wrist through the bellwos strap as ?perhaps the fingers just coming over the top for the bass in some  way contributes to the stability of the box?

just a thought???

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Not sure I agree that a single strapper uses the left hand to support the box any more that a two strapper does

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Re: Finger control
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2018, 09:56:05 AM »

I've always angled the box slightly so the bass end is very slightly down, to allow gravity to assist the opening of the bellows.
No idea where I picked that up from.... ( is that wrong, should it be horizontal? )
Therefore despite being a confirmed 2 strapper, the wrist strap does take a bit  of the weight when operating and especially closing the bellows.
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Re: Finger control
« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2018, 10:32:08 AM »

Hmm, I suspect we could come up with a few more strap possibilities, between us and then there's playing sitting down.

I wondered about this so I had a go a few options. It doesn't matter what I do, I cannot get anywhere near the bass buttons on the 12 bass    sunless I bury my hand up to the wrist.

I think the optimum left hand position must be a function of physique and box size.
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Re: Finger control
« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2018, 11:50:27 AM »


I wondered about this so I had a go a few options. It doesn't matter what I do, I cannot get anywhere near the bass buttons on the 12 bass    sunless I bury my hand up to the wrist.

I think the optimum left hand position must be a function of physique and box size.
[/quote] Sorry Greg still haven’t worked out how to handle quotes.

I raised the matter of the supplementary strap on 5th Feb. Have today made a strap from double sided Velcro 48cm long with a button stud on one end. This plugs into the vacant bellows strap stud at the base of the box. Wrap around the wrist & secure via the Velcro. Works a treat.
Better still this is the first time I have been able to comfortably reach all 12 bass buttons on my Hyde.
Also used the strap on my newly purchased Castagnari Nik.Quite comfortable.

I’m going to continue with this setup for now.
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Re: Finger control
« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2018, 11:58:32 AM »

Twas just a thought   and I agree with Lester in that I also don't know whether or not one strap or two makes a difference to playing the bass????

george
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Re: Finger control
« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2018, 12:38:47 PM »

So much depends on the size and weight of the instrument, the size of your hands, the number of bass buttons... It is a very personal thing and there can be no one answer for everyone, you have to work out for yourself what works best for you.  I've noticed that my left hand is further through the strap when I'm playing my 12-bass G/C then when I'm playing smaller and lighter 8-bass instruments.

The same goes for using 3 or 4 fingers to play basses.  There is a certain neatness to using 4 fingers to match 4 pairs of buttons, but plenty of 3-finger players can attest that it's not a handicap to playing complex stuff on the basses.  If your only problem is lack of strength and control over the little finger then this will come with more practice, but if you're really not comfortable with using 4 fingers then perhaps think again about why you're trying to do this.

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Re: Finger control
« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2018, 01:06:29 PM »

I agree with Howard, there are a huge amount of variables.
Also, as a 2row/8bass player I do wonder if I need to use my weaker little finger as I use my three to good effect but agree it is ultimately neater and appeals to me greatly!
The other evening I tried loosening the strap, as previously discussed, and also played around with using 4 fingers.
I was surprised how it came to me but my biggest hindrance was not reaching for the C bass but my preference for using my ring finger ( 4th ) and middle finger ( 3rd ) when pulling an Am or pushing a Bm ( no box in hand so think I've got that right ). Hadn't thought that would be a problem!
Maybe I'll go back to trying 4 fingers...... maybe!
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« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2018, 05:35:37 PM »

Um..... Back home and had a quick squeeze.
I find I do use my second and third finger when playing Am and Bm, it's just that it feels strange when trying to play with 4 fingers. The whole rotation and feel of my hand changes, it's not just the reach for the C bass.
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I think I'm starting to get most of the notes in roughly the right order...... sometimes!
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