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A couple of Preciosa's
« on: February 12, 2018, 01:01:40 PM »

Hello I'd like to share my only experience so far in the world of melodeons, which I'm trying to expand. Recently, I was invited to go over some instruments of a man who was retiring from his musical adventures. I came to see a couple of traveller's piano accordions, as I am a PA player but ended up also with these two mini's, which are absolutely stunning and cute at the same time.

I was hesitant as I have no experience with push pull and diatonic buttons, but now my girlfriend and I have decided to try and create some sort of street theatre show with them. She got the dark brown one and I got the lighter tan one, marked "Juwel".

We are learning from this forum and will try to post some milestones once we get going. I can improvise on these things with 3/4 and 4/4 tunes, but I guess the trick is to push pull more and try to follow writing.

I gained some info from Theo, and I guess they are quite old, so it's very nice to give these a second life. They were very well maintained and tuned to A=432. The dark brown one has a bit harsher tune (more over-tones), and the tan one if more mellow (the reason why I choose it).

On this recording, first is the dark brown, second the tan one:
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Re: A couple of Preciosa's
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2018, 04:02:40 PM »

Nice! I suppose the smaller box (dark brown) is a Preciosa, the other one some variant of a Lilliput.  Obviously, restored as they have modern valves. They sound great!
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Re: A couple of Preciosa's
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2018, 04:32:08 PM »

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I suppose the smaller box (dark brown) is a Preciosa, the other one some variant of a Lilliput.

I don't know.  The Liliput usually has standing treble blocks while the configuration seen in both boxes here is typical of Preciosas.  From the 2nd picture, I notice the dark brown seems to have a more elaborate bass end with 4 notes per chord (vs 3) and maybe more voices to each bass note as well.
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Re: A couple of Preciosa's
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2018, 04:34:05 PM »

Definitely both Preciosa.  And the photos show that the reeds all have new valves and wax, so all they need is to be played.  Street music seems like a great new life for them.
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Re: A couple of Preciosa's
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2018, 07:21:28 PM »

Lovely boxes, I especially like the looks of the dark brown one. Both sound great!

Definitely looking forward to read about/ hear your progress!
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Re: A couple of Preciosa's
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2018, 11:42:09 PM »

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I suppose the smaller box (dark brown) is a Preciosa, the other one some variant of a Lilliput.

I don't know.  The Liliput usually has standing treble blocks while the configuration seen in both boxes here is typical of Preciosas.  From the 2nd picture, I notice the dark brown seems to have a more elaborate bass end with 4 notes per chord (vs 3) and maybe more voices to each bass note as well.

Yes - I see that now.  I just looked at the first photo which (deceptively) seems to show that the brown box is smaller than the other one.
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Re: A couple of Preciosa's
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2018, 08:09:59 AM »

They have the same dimensions, although the dark brown one has far rounder edges and corners.

He also had a blue one, very much like the tan one, but it was in slightly bad shape.

I had thought about overhauling them, maybe even convert them to another key, as I was worried about the 432 tuning anyway. But then my girlfriend got totally psyched over this dark brown one, we decided to keep them both "original", and only play them together without other instruments. Funny is that one has real shoulder straps and she is quite small so it looks very fitting.
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Re: A couple of Preciosa's
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2018, 04:59:37 PM »

small question:

Is it possible to easily remove the top reed "block" without having to break wax and re-apply it?
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Re: A couple of Preciosa's
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2018, 06:13:21 PM »

Yes-
One slotted screw at each end of the upper reedbank. Remove and the whole upper part lifts out. No wax involved.

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Re: A couple of Preciosa's
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2018, 07:21:45 PM »

May I slide a bit off topic here, please, and ask what function the wire across the box has, the one with the single screw attachment?
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Re: A couple of Preciosa's
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2018, 07:25:41 PM »

Never having seen inside one, I'm guessing it's part of the internal bellows clip.  8)
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2018, 07:27:40 PM »

Never having seen inside one, I'm guessing it's part of the internal bellows clip.  8)
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Re: A couple of Preciosa's
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2018, 07:34:35 PM »

Isn't education a wonderful thing? Thank you both.
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Re: A couple of Preciosa's
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2018, 08:36:38 PM »

Yes-
One slotted screw at each end of the upper reedbank. Remove and the whole upper part lifts out. No wax involved.

Pics show before and after.

   Scott

Thanks, this got me where I wanted to be  (:) I was just a bit too careful.

Now, although I fixed the main issue (using too much air), I'm failing too find the last problem, which is sort of a high pitch metal like sound played along a pull of the inner row C. It plays both reeds, but one has an issue I guess.

Any ideas? Could it be a loose reed tongue?

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Re: A couple of Preciosa's
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2018, 02:15:46 PM »

I have made one of them wireless  :||:

Well, I simply put a Philips dynamic capsule on top of the bass chord reed. I wondered if the sound from the treble reeds would be OK, and they are reasonable once one applies a bit of EQ. I struggled with the basses being too loud so I ended up putting a cardoid PG57 capsule in there that made a better job of it.

I choose a black locking nut in the bass grille, so it doesn't detract much of the classic looks of the instrument. On the inside I have two connectors to be able to replace or service parts.

Then coupled with my stageclix, EQ and low cut from the vocoder I was fairly happy with it too be able to have total freedom and still be heard!
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Re: A couple of Preciosa's
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2018, 02:17:37 PM »

More pics
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Re: A couple of Preciosa's
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2018, 02:36:56 PM »

The insides
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