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richard.fleming

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Re: C/C# Anyone?
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2018, 10:04:56 AM »

It's a while since I played BC George and I don't have much theory, but surely on a BC box you would normally play the key of G inside out ie basically on the C row and finding your accidentals on the B row?
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Re: C/C# Anyone?
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2018, 10:15:55 AM »

Indeed, and using the same fingering on a CC# you get Ab

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Re: C/C# Anyone?
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2018, 11:52:44 AM »

G is I think the best key to begin with for those coming to the B/C from D/G or G/C - considerably less of a brain-twister than D.

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Re: C/C# Anyone?
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2018, 12:21:04 PM »

Well I am in at the deep end. The piece is on E minor with several accidentals and it uses buttons 2-10 in the first 4 bars! I only went as far as the 7th button before this on my single row boxes, so I will be busy for a while.
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Re: C/C# Anyone?
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2018, 12:44:40 PM »

Well I am in at the deep end. The piece is on E minor with several accidentals and it uses buttons 2-10 in the first 4 bars! I only went as far as the 7th button before this on my single row boxes, so I will be busy for a while.

E minor is (generally) the same notes as G, but based on the E as a root note
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Re: C/C# Anyone?
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2018, 12:46:32 PM »

Yep, l would heed stiamh's advice and start with a few tunes in G on the B/C box.
I always find the hornpipes in G give a nice flowing feel.
As ever, there should be no rush.
I would have to be completely re-wired now to be instinctively fluent on the B/C system, but on the C#/D, the Key of A sits comfortably and that's as much as I need to pinch from the B/C style.
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Re: C/C# Anyone?
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2018, 01:21:24 PM »

Indeed, and using the same fingering on a CC# you get Ab

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this would explain why I liked it right away and became second nature ;)
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Re: C/C# Anyone?
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2018, 01:33:24 PM »

Well I am in at the deep end. The piece is on E minor with several accidentals and it uses buttons 2-10 in the first 4 bars! I only went as far as the 7th button before this on my single row boxes, so I will be busy for a while.

In Em you have to consider whether you are going to use the basses. If so, and if you have a standard bass setup with E on the push, you will need to use the push E and B (the latter on the outer row) quite a bit, whereas using those two notes on the pull will make it easy to play whole phrases on the pull. Even if you decide not to play basses, there is the question of whether playing entire phrases on the pull is desirable, rhythm-wise.

Two common tunes, Drowsy Maggie and Morrison's jig, provide useful studies in the possibilities.

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Re: C/C# Anyone?
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2018, 04:08:30 PM »

I am half way through installing the basses/ chords in the Joe Burke layout. I have been able to use a mixture of old Hohner pa reeds and recycled c/c# reeds with only one reed tongue requiring solder. I doubt I will use the basses very much but I like to have them and it cost me nothing. The piece I am learning is called The Golden Eagle - so many notes! I will look at those other tunes also thanks.
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Re: C/C# Anyone?
« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2018, 06:22:35 PM »

If it's the same Golden Eagle I know, it's in G major, not E minor.Not the kind of G tune that I was thinking of when I said it's best to start on B/C with tunes in G!!!

And if it is that Golden Eagle, the second part starts with an arpeggio of B major, so you'll get to play a whole run on the B row, on the push! (Don't try that run using the B notes on your C row...)

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Re: C/C# Anyone?
« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2018, 06:39:24 PM »

Hi Stiamh
I didn't choose the tune- I have been asked to play it and I am working from hand written score that states Em. I don't know if that is right. It is similar to the first ones that come up on FolkTuneFinder website search. When I have learned the tune I will no doubt experiment with the basses a little. I will take your advice on board thank you.
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Re: C/C# Anyone?
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2018, 11:00:48 PM »

Whoever is requisitioning you to play that hornpipe is either sadistic or not a melodeon player.   :o  I still have to calm down to get through the 2nd part.  You want to be playing exciting stuff like the Minstrel Boy when you start out.

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Indeed, and using the same fingering on a CC# you get Ab

george

this would explain why I liked it right away and became second nature

Ab is a pretty common tune in jazz, are you playing bebop or something?  I've a big repertoire and know a whopping 4 trad tunes that are properly played in Eb.  My friend with the PA always wants to play the Banks in G anyway so so much for that.  I do like playing C/F/Bb stuff in the original keys.  William Marshall, Mr. "I do not compose for bunglers," apparently wrote a few in Ab and Db.  Bully for you, dude.   ::)  Mostly being able to play in Ab comes in handy when I want to mess with people.   ;)
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Re: C/C# Anyone?
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2018, 08:53:20 AM »

The culprit plays the English concertina. I will get there but even more slowly than usual.
Looks like he and I will have to learn Minstrel Boy though. ..
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