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John MacKenzie (Cugiok)

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Fresh Wax removal
« on: March 22, 2018, 01:32:21 PM »

When one makes mistakes, or spills new wax. Or even if one wants to practice waxing. How on earth do you clean the wax off  things, like tools and blocks, and reeds?
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Re: Fresh Wax removal
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2018, 01:39:58 PM »

Wait till the wax is completely cold.  I’ve never tried this but if you can’t wait fir natural cooling put the parts to n the fridge for 10 minutes might help.
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Re: Fresh Wax removal
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2018, 02:02:46 PM »

Lighter fluid is a reasonable solvent for wax clean-ups (and for getting irritating price stickers from CD cases and such  :neigh: ).

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Re: Fresh Wax removal
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2018, 02:20:24 PM »

I would also recommend the fridge method. Marvellous things, fridges, I used to put cylinder liners in the fridge before dropping them into an interference fit bore. made the job twenty times easier!
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Re: Fresh Wax removal
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2018, 06:58:58 PM »

Lighter fluid is a reasonable solvent for wax clean-ups (and for getting irritating price stickers from CD cases and such  :neigh: ).
A technical point here. I looked up Beeswax, which I have assumed is the major component of reed wax - please tell me if I'm wrong. Beeswax is said to be composed of long chain aliphatic acids - commonly found in nature. If this is the case, then petroleum solvents, (which will include lighter fuel), which are aromatic (akin to Benzene) are not the most compatible thing to use. Paraffin or Liquid paraffin (BP) might work better or even olive oil. I have not tried them, but will when I get some reed wax. I would think any type of wax will be difficult to dissolve. Paraffin combined with scraping sounds like the best method. A bit of heat would speed things up too.
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Re: Fresh Wax removal
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2018, 07:02:41 PM »

Paraffin has a nasty smell, and if it soaked into a wooden reed block would stink forever and a day. I have tried pure alcohol, and that didn't work. Just a matter of scraping until it's gone I'm afraid.

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Re: Fresh Wax removal
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2018, 12:57:51 AM »

Paraffin has a nasty smell, and if it soaked into a wooden reed block would stink forever and a day. I have tried pure alcohol, and that didn't work. Just a matter of scraping until it's gone I'm afraid.
I use acetone to clean residual old wax from reed blocks. Use a small decorator's paint brush to apply, then use a blunt knife or scraper followed by rubbing with a cloth soaked in acetone to easily remove the wax. Let any excess acetone drain into a metal or glass container. Avoid prolonged saturation of the reed block with acetone as it may possibly weaken glued joints (though I've never found this to be a problem).

If you have only a small amount of wax to remove, you can use nail-polish remover, but for cleaning up entire reed blocks, it's more economical to use industrial (i.e. non-analytical) grade acetone. I bought a litre of the stuff a couple of years ago and still have plenty in reserve. See here:
http://www.mbfg.co.uk/acetone.html

It's also good for cleaning old wax and gunk from reed plates. I put a layer of reed plates (without valves) in an aluminium foil dish (i.e. take-away containers) and just pour on enough acetone to cover the reed plates. Leave for a few minutes and then use a stiff brush to remove any stubborn klingons. The same acetone layer can be used two or three times before it has too much dissolved wax to be of further use.

Obviously use in a well-ventilated zone and away from any source of ignition.

Spent acetone can be stored in a glass bottle with a screw top, then best disposed of by carefully burning outside. I use it to start garden bonfires. Don't pour it down the drain.
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Re: Fresh Wax removal
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2018, 11:26:07 AM »

Hmmm. I'll have to give acetone a go. Lighter fluid works out at around A$50 a litre, (8 x 125ml cans) which makes it a bit expensive if using it in a reed bath.

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Re: Fresh Wax removal
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2018, 07:06:01 PM »

At The Button Box, we use CitraSolv to remove new wax.  It's made from orange peels, is much less toxic than petroleum products, and does a great job.  Plus, it leaves a pleasant citrus smell!  You'll also find that the odd drop of wax will pop off many surfaces when it has cooled.  But for tools - and hands - CitraSolv is the ticket.

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Re: Fresh Wax removal
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2018, 08:09:10 AM »

I use rubbing (wood) alcohol to clean off wax from tools and hands, works great does not smell to bad. We did use a batch of stuff from my still where the mash got burnt (undrinkable)  for awhile it worked great.
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Re: Fresh Wax removal
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2018, 08:12:41 AM »

Or Isopropyl alcohol, which may be the same thing. But I've only used it for tools and local cleanups, not wholesale wax removal.
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Re: Fresh Wax removal
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2018, 12:56:04 PM »

I use meths.

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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2018, 09:50:03 AM »

If I'm right then meths, as it is called in UK, is methanol or wood alcohol.  Trouble in the UK is that it has a stink agent added (to discourage drinking).  I have found that scraping is sufficient on wood items, then paper kitchen towels remove the bulk from the metal tools and a wipe with iso-propyl alcohol (IPA) does the rest.  The important part as with all cleaning is that the cloth or towel you wipe with must be clean so as to provide a more accommodating substrate for the wax than the item being cleaned.

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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2018, 10:04:43 AM »

A little thread drift, if you don't mind; Has this IPA swag anything to do with the beer with that name?
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Re: Fresh Wax removal
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2018, 10:40:35 AM »

A little thread drift, if you don't mind; Has this IPA swag anything to do with the beer with that name?

I.P.A.=  India Pale Ale, beer that was originally brewed over strength in Britain, for the Troops in India, then shipped out to India where it was diluted to normal beer strength for the thirsty squaddies !! The reason for brewing over strength was to ensure that it survived the sea journey in drinkable condition. Nowadays used to refer to a "Best Bitter" I.e  one that is slightly stronger with more depth of flavour,!!

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Re: Fresh Wax removal
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2018, 11:10:09 AM »

A little thread drift, if you don't mind; Has this IPA swag anything to do with the beer with that name?

I.P.A.=  India Pale Ale, beer that was originally brewed over strength in Britain, for the Troops in India, then shipped out to India where it was diluted to normal beer strength for the thirsty squaddies !! The reason for brewing over strength was to ensure that it survived the sea journey in drinkable condition. Nowadays used to refer to a "Best Bitter" I.e  one that is slightly stronger with more depth of flavour,!!

Apologies for contributing to Edwards thread drift.!!

As opposed to Isopropyl alcohol which does not taste as nice but will get you drunk quicker (Don't try this at home as it may kill you)
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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2018, 04:59:55 AM »

If I'm right then meths, as it is called in UK, is methanol or wood alcohol.  Trouble in the UK is that it has a stink agent added (to discourage drinking).  I have found that scraping is sufficient on wood items, then paper kitchen towels remove the bulk from the metal tools and a wipe with iso-propyl alcohol (IPA) does the rest.  The important part as with all cleaning is that the cloth or towel you wipe with must be clean so as to provide a more accommodating substrate for the wax than the item being cleaned.

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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2018, 08:10:13 AM »

Not even sure I'd know where to get meths these days. Used to just go to local ironmonger or hardware store. Haven't a clue who sells it near me.
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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2018, 09:00:01 AM »

Not even sure I'd know where to get meths these days. Used to just go to local ironmonger or hardware store. Haven't a clue who sells it near me.

It's like everything else, you can buy it on line

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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2018, 09:25:09 AM »

The ceramics specialist on The Repair Shop advised me that meths is functionally the same as pure alcohol ( for cleaning etc). We both agreed that obtaining clear pure alcohol was increasinly difficult ( in the UK). Meths is a good substitute. You can buy it in hardware stores.
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