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I know the make but?
« on: April 30, 2018, 11:41:42 PM »


 
I bought this yesterday, it's a Hohner 3 row, 3 voice, 12 bass in GCF, and it's a bit rough around the edges, but it does have a lovely sound here and there.
I've been searching the Hohner list on here (under Hohner in the "Makers" section) and have found 6 possibilities, although I do realise that the list isn't complete. 3 of them are unlikely, in my opinion, as I think this one is older, probably pre-war. That leaves 3 choices, I think.
Possibly........
Italiener              1929-31
Zweireiher          1938-39
Dreireiher            1939
Unless, of course you know of another possibility?
Here are the pictures:
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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2018, 11:51:08 PM »

Dreireiher            1939
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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2018, 11:57:47 PM »

I like it! GCF is a great and versatile system. 
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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2018, 12:06:22 AM »

Thank you, Mr Triskel. (I know you'd know!) That translates to "Three herons", strange name for an hand harmonica model, surely?

I had a GC, Grape, and liked the sound of it very much. I'd love to stick a D row where the G is now, and make it a DGC, to suit everything, more or less, but "one who knows" reckons it won't work out nicely, so I'm more than a bit disappointed!
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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2018, 12:25:44 AM »

The answer to that is an ADG!
The reason the DGC doesn’t work is that the d would have to be an octave lower.  The ADG provides all the lovliness of a DG plus most of the lovliness of an AD- in my opinion an equally beautiful sounding system to the GC...
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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2018, 12:57:31 AM »

Thank you, Mr Triskel. (I know you'd know!) That translates to "Three herons", strange name for an hand harmonica model, surely?

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Dreireiher = 3-rower

Zweireiher = 2-rower

Einreiher = 1-rower

Nullreiher = paddle your own canoe!

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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2018, 01:30:23 AM »

I just know these as "pre-corona" models.  Looks like that one is a Corona III relative. Great find!
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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2018, 11:30:57 PM »

Here's a video by Peter Unbehauen showing the Evolution of the Hohner Corona.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjnQEvRJKfo
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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2018, 11:54:05 PM »

Thanks Dave, that was mine in the middle.
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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2018, 12:01:43 AM »

No it’s not, that one in the middle is a 2 voice pre CoronaII keyboard is wayyyyy smaller and so it’s the grill, pallets and just the whole box in size is smaller.

Your box is the equivalent to a Hohner Corona III in today’s language 😎

I have the same box in GCFb... here’s what a DGC sounds like 😍 https://youtu.be/94UuvgVeuNg
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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2018, 12:55:22 AM »

I'll certainly bow to your more intimate knowledge Mario. From the angle on the video, it looks exactly the same to me. I remember that on the "list" the Dreireiher comes in either 2 or 3 voices.
Mine is rather heavy at 5.14kgs. It was quite a shock, actually!
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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2018, 01:11:34 AM »

I forgot to mention the video of the D/G/C. It grated on my ears! I don't like squeaky sounding instruments, and that's what is putting me off the normal D/G things in the first place.
I was hoping to shift the reeds up a row on this and add a lower D row, but Steve_freereeder has said that the D row will sound very growly, so now I'm wondering whether I have the right instrument? Or (as I quite like "growly") if I should bite the bullet of taking on a lot of work and just try it? I wouldn't mess up the "H" reeds though, I'm sure I could find some suitable ones elsewhere. 
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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2018, 07:13:02 AM »

I still get quiet a left hand workout when playing my Pre Corona IiI voice.
PreCorona II voice are light as a feather compared to III voice plus the zinc reeds 😂

Peter does an amazing job at keeping a great knowledge of historic Hohner instruments in the Corona II family but the Corona III is a whole other animal it will growl if you make it rather lower the DGC video I showed those guys are making those boxes higher rather than lower. I believe out of factory they come on a 4,4,4 this dudes are bringing it up to 8,8,8 .... 😂

My local tuning guy also has a higher rate on the H reeds for they are squarish and hard to finish the tuning evenly. My CFB has a sticker inside that was last serviced in 1946 so I’ve been slowly replacing those reeds with my Club IV reeds on the CF side... also remember that the C part in your case are shared reeds between the second and third block. Some dudes tape shut the second reed block to make it a different sound. I haven’t tried yet myself to do that...

Enjoy 👌🏽
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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2018, 07:29:35 AM »

I was hoping to shift the reeds up a row on this and add a lower D row, but Steve_freereeder has said that the D row will sound very growly, so now I'm wondering whether I have the right instrument? Or (as I quite like "growly") if I should bite the bullet of taking on a lot of work and just try it? I wouldn't mess up the "H" reeds though, I'm sure I could find some suitable ones elsewhere.

Grape Ape has said the same a few posts back:

... The reason the DGC doesn’t work is that the d would have to be an octave lower...

And as I mentioned on your other thread about this, there is also the problem which would arise because low-octave (L voice) reed plates would almost certainly be longer than your existing reed block dimensions, so considerable modification would be needed - probably a custom-built (££ !) new reed blocks which would have to be very asymmetrical from one side to the other.

You could get some idea of the growliness of a L-voice D-row by trying a standard Hohner 1-row four-stop in D or C and just selecting the L voice. In the lower part of the range, the L reeds are slow to speak. It doesn't seem to matter too much when in LMMH voicing (perhaps the other reeds resonate with and encourage the L reeds to start up?) but just L on its own always seems to be slow in my experience.
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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2018, 08:04:58 AM »

Of course, Steve! In my eagerness and stupidity, even though I've been messing with octave 3 reeds recently, I'd forgotten about your warning of size difference. There's no way that they'd fit the existing blocks, the ones I've been clarting about with are wider also.
Thank you for trying to keep me on the straight and narrow. Melnet is a bit like a slower version of Star Trek's "Borg", where all the knowledge is (eventually) shared by all the members! 
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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2018, 09:48:57 AM »

Edward, If you don't like things too "Squeaky", or too "Growly"   look for an instrument in A/D.......the perfect compromise ( well.. in my opinion anyway)
P.S.  I don't think the latino tuning of the D/G/C box in the video helped it much,..I'm sure they don't all sound that way
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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2018, 07:00:56 PM »

Edwards if you have corona iii reeds they will fit with minor sanding ☺️👌🏽
I just got a set of GCF from a member here from his corona lll to my PreCo just about finished installing them will work on the bass side and G outer row a bit leaky later on:

https://youtu.be/nARXT_nJzm0
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Re: I know the make but?
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2018, 07:56:34 PM »

Thank you, Mr Triskel. (I know you'd know!) That translates to "Three herons", strange name for an hand harmonica model, surely?

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Dreireiher = 3-rower

Zweireiher = 2-rower

Einreiher = 1-rower

Nullreiher = paddle your own canoe!

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Drei = 3, reih = row and er = er (suffix)
So - three rows, not three herons  :||:
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