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Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2018, 02:01:00 AM »

I'm certainly not about to be drawn into an argument over semantics here. The Wikipedia article mentions different textbooks having contrasting definitions of hemiola and sesquialtera, and then there's polyrhythm...

I take your point, though, that maybe there should be a distinction between a temporary change of rhythm against an unchanging time signature versus an explicit time signature change. I don't know what Bernstein actually wrote: do you?
Yes, having played in the theatre orchestra for a stage production of WSS and also currently playing the orchestral Symphonic Dances suite from WSS.
The time signature for 'America' is given as 6/8 (3/4). The lyrics 'I like to be in America...'  are set to a repeated sequence of one bar of 6 quavers followed by one bar of 3 crotchets. I've attached a screen grab of part of the piano reduction score which shows the first few bars. Whether this counts as a hemiola or not, I'm not sure.
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Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2018, 07:41:58 AM »

Argument was the last thing on my mind. Sometimes through discussing fine differences of opinion or experience a new understanding can come along. Hopefully leading to a difference in the way we interpret a piece - perhaps for example choosing to change the harmonies to reinforce a rhythmic point. For me, terms are only useful as tools to deeper understanding, not as a badge of honour. Sorry if that comes over differently.
And sorry for the drift. I'll get round to learning May Reel now.
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Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2018, 11:09:12 PM »

Here we go: https://youtu.be/NkunGa8_99o

I confused myself mightily today because it occurred to me that the ABC transcribed from Jimbo's "10 pints" video might not be the most authentic version of the original tune as written by Paul Sartin. Further research found it's on the Topic Stepping Up CD which I have, played by Faustus. Their version has far less of those syncopations in it, but I'd already learned Jimbo's version so that's mostly what I'm still playing.
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Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2018, 03:13:51 PM »

I've put an audio recording of One Man's Beat on the playandteach tunebook page to avoid messing this thread up further.
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Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2018, 11:20:01 PM »

Figured I should make amends by having a go at May Reel. Not entirely happy with it, as it doesn't sit right yet - so only linked here rather than a public airing.
If I get a chance I'll put a stronger version up - assuming I can make a stronger version.
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Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2018, 10:08:35 AM »

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Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2018, 01:04:40 PM »

Hi!

https://youtu.be/L7Rec2kQi88

Wow that Bass work from 1:00 onwards...  :o That's amazing!
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Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2018, 03:32:55 PM »

Thank you guys  (:)
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Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2018, 10:06:33 PM »

Thought about this while listening again to Thoon's playing. Yes the basses are fine- and lots of options for that instrument. But for me the winning factor is the utterly on-the-rails right hand. Dotted rhythm is so consistent that the groove is established with credibility. This sort of allows me to listen elsewhere because I never need to second guess the right hand. Lovely.
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Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2018, 10:23:40 PM »

I haven't been so confused by a tune since you all forced me to confront a real 3/2 hornpipe.  (I eventually came to term with those, and I really love them now, so thank you!) 

My first question is: can this actually be danced as a reel?  I'm no dancer, so I have to ask those who are.

After I wrassel with this a bit, I'll have other questions.  :||:  I'm still struggling to control the left hand, so the syncopation/hemiola is going to be a massive challenge.  But that's why we're all here, right?

Don't see why it can't be a reel.
So far as the fancy bar goes, stop worrying about what it's called and listen to how it sounds. It's simpler than it's being made out to be.
I don't want to post until \i can play it like Jimbo, so it might never happen (:)

If you can't get thr left hand to work, why not rest it for a bar or two?
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Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2018, 10:36:03 PM »

I don't want to post until \i can play it like Jimbo, so it might never happen (:)

Try the 'ten pints' method. It worked for Jimbo  >:E
But... I applaud Thoon for posting a version that makes no attempt to be  like Jimbo's, as well as for playing it so beautifully.
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Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2018, 11:24:50 PM »

I don't want to post until \i can play it like Jimbo, so it might never happen (:)

Try the 'ten pints' method. It worked for Jimbo  >:E
But... I applaud Thoon for posting a version that makes no attempt to be  like Jimbo's, as well as for playing it so beautifully.

To be fair to me, I don't mean play his setting note for note I mean play with his delight in the the tune. If I play it it still sounds ...stilted. I'm hoping it will come to life before the end of the month. And I agree, Toons setting is great.

If I had ten pints before playing it I would probably be passed out somewhere/
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Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2018, 01:55:24 AM »

If I had ten pints before playing it I would probably be passed out somewhere/

You could drink it in American pints, that's only 8 1/3 imperial pints! ;D
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Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2018, 07:55:18 AM »

Merci!

(Sorry for my english level...)

Anahata : it is always difficult to appropriate a tune when you have strong versions like Jimbo's. Even if it's important for each other to try to play closer as possible to the version you like of any tune, it is alaways interesting to try other ways to sound a tune. Bravo for your version which is very clear and precise.

Playandteach : dotted rythm is in my opinion linked to the fact of playing accent on the 2nd and 4th step of the bar.



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Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2018, 10:48:04 AM »

Hi!

https://youtu.be/L7Rec2kQi88
Love it!
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Seconded! A really good start to the day for me.  (:)
Thirded(?). I'm very keen on French music played upon the melodeon, and Thoon injects a little Gallic feel into this piece (I think with the left hand). Anyway, it's magnifique.
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Re: Tune of the Month for June 2018: May Reel
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2018, 11:29:16 AM »

Thanks Thoon, really enjoyable!
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I think I'm starting to get most of the notes in roughly the right order...... sometimes!
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