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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2018, 05:11:58 PM »

Jesse - I never knew there was a song attached to the Not for Joe tune....
and certainly not a little ditty like that.

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Given your long association with the morris Q that surprises me...

A certain border team tried to change it to "There was a little Turk/And he did no work" which wasn't at all racist of course...

The purported change didn't last long....
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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2018, 05:32:07 PM »

There is a tune sometimes heard at a session nearby.
It's a resonably good little tune but I could never and would never play it due to it's title. I couldn't call it out loud.
Is it that Irish tune? ;) Sometimes retitled as "The Good Wife" (which I actually think is more offensive)?
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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2018, 05:36:05 PM »

A certain border team tried to change it to "There was a little Turk/And he did no work" which wasn't at all racist of course...

The purported change didn't last long....

If anything that's worse! ;D

I've also heard the following attached to it, which is merely bawdy rather than racist but still rather inappropriate for mixed company!

My uncle Billy
had a ten foot *****
and he showed it to the girl next door.
She thought it was a snake
so she hit it with a rake
and now it's only five foot four.


Man, this thread has drifted, and it's entirely my own fault! ::)
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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #43 on: June 06, 2018, 05:59:55 PM »

I've also heard the following attached to it, which is merely bawdy rather racist but still rather inappropriate for mixed company!

My uncle Billy
had a ten foot *****
and he showed it to the girl next door.
She thought it was a snake
so she hit it with a rake
and now it's only five foot four.


Man, this thread has drifted, and it's entirely my own fault! ::)

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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2018, 06:04:42 PM »

I always thought that the tune 'Not for Joe' was a variant of the tune for the song 'Old King Cole' - which has its bawdy rugby song version* but, as far as I'm aware, is not racist.

* look it up if you're curious  >:E
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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2018, 06:16:27 PM »

There is a tune sometimes heard at a session nearby.
It's a resonably good little tune but I could never and would never play it due to it's title. I couldn't call it out loud.
Perhaps it's the difference between innocently doing something that has no overt connotations and consciously doing something that could obviously offend.
 I never wish to offend anyone. Life's too short.

....but this is a looong way from Jesse's question regarding good little tunes to play.
Q

Now I have to know  :D Gi'us a clue mate.
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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2018, 06:19:46 PM »

Now I have to know  :D Gi'us a clue mate.

I would vote for that tune than John Spiers wrote who's title gives his opinion of a political party.

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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2018, 06:23:23 PM »

Now I have to know  :D Gi'us a clue mate.
I would vote for that tune than John Spiers wrote who's title gives his opinion of a political party.

My vote, too.
Actually, it describes what action you could take with a particular political party.
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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #48 on: June 07, 2018, 07:28:30 AM »

Baz - well, it does remind me of a certain other border side that we both know and love...... but I really didn't put it with the tune.

All: I should have kept quiet.
No nothing to do with Squeezy, though his 'certain' tune would have to be re-named by me, ' a tune from JS....'
No. I was thinking of a tune ' The C-----d Aristocracy' that people play and promptly apologise for it's title.
Can't be bothered with learning something I need to apologise for. There's plenty more in the tune books.
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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2018, 07:46:30 AM »

"Perhaps because some things should never have been in the first place/should be left behind/have no place in modern society?"

So, should we not be accompanying singers singing about the oppression of the working classes, child labour, seaport harlots, national "heroes" like Nelson and Wellington in their warring ventures, etc. etc. ad infinitum?
The folk music world will disappear!

Hmm... no. I can see a clear difference between songs that remember our political and social history, in all it's 'glory' and despair, it's triumphs, scandals, shame and poverty,  and a song that contains an unacceptable, outdated racial slur.   


My objections only extend to the song -  happy to play the tune, the tune is innocent of all harm as all tunes are.  The 'ten foot willy' version is in my view entirely acceptable, even in front of a family audience as I don't believe there is a five year old in the land who doesn't already know it.  I certainly remember learning it at about that age, that one truly is a timeless classic.
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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2018, 07:49:32 AM »

Bill Caddick's "Unicorns" song, plays nicely in C on my kit and … some of its chords frankly make my spine tingle.

Or in "rip roaring" mode … Copper family's  "Spencer the Rover", or Nic Jones' "Warlike Lads of Russia". Also in C cross-rowed, using sus, rather than modal chords.
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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2018, 08:05:02 AM »

I think Helena has summed up my thoughts on the previous point entirely.
Thank you Helena.
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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2018, 08:44:38 AM »

Well said Helena.  Many tunes have  bawdy words which even if not sung  give you a bit of a smirk when playing them.  The ball of Inverness comes to mind and I have seen some famously po faced musicians smirk while paying it!

Back to tunes  One I enjoy playing on a dg box is the Bluebell Polka  ( 3 parter in GDC)  I play it on a bog standard 3rd button start 2 row and use the thumb when playing the C part.  Getting  the c part right is very satisfying!

On the other hand its a doddle on a bc or  bccsharp box

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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #53 on: June 07, 2018, 08:58:49 AM »

Yep, the Bluebell's a good 'un.
Lets get back to throwing tunes at Jesse to give him something to get his teeth into......
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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #54 on: June 07, 2018, 09:48:21 AM »

Bluebell polka -good 'un which makes me think of Primrose Polka - which used to be an old favourite of mine and needs reviving.
Re the 'Aristocracy' issue - I play the tune quite often as the Southern Aristocracy, not that I'm particularly happy about that title. I follow it with 'Ragtime Annie' which is great fun to play.

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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #55 on: June 07, 2018, 10:51:33 AM »

...A session regular here is Redwing, in fact a brilliant tune...It came across the pond as others have
though it's origin faded for most players and now simply known just as a tune. If it's connotations don't
grate, it's a nice relatively simple tune to play.

When I listened to this, I realised I already knew the tune - not to play, but through having heard the
Charlie Chaplin version (I only remember the C: part) performed by The Oldham Tinkers in about 1968
in Manchester (any Mancunians remember the MSG on Long Millgate?).

The Wikipedia entry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Wing_(song)) tells the story - quite interesting
I thought...
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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #56 on: June 07, 2018, 08:24:26 PM »

OK so not tunes that I enjoy primarily because they feel good to play, but how about some bouncy, upbeat, jolly tunes that my partner likes to play? 

He plays irrepressibly bouncy and annoying tunes (sometimes aided and abetted by Lester). I pretend not to like them before joining in.  Mostly.

Tunes such as In the Toyshop, Marche des Cabrettaires, Dennis Crowther's Number1, Uncle Bernard's Polka, Grandfather's Tune.

All suitable candidates I feel.
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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #57 on: June 07, 2018, 08:37:13 PM »

Actually I CAN think of two tunes I play that fall into this category, The Keel Row and Kafoozalum*

* yes I know, before anyone tells me, we're back in 'don't google the lyrics territory' but 'tis a cracking tune to play.
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Re: Tunes that you enjoy primarily because they feel good to play
« Reply #58 on: June 07, 2018, 08:47:48 PM »

Rather than me list more tunes:
I think one of the absolute best couple of tune books are produced by Nick Barber, available with cd's to give you a flavour of what they sound like.
Take a look here.....
http://shop.nickworks.co.uk/home.aspx

Somewhere on his page you can by both session books and CDs as a package, or just start with one.
There are a lot of very jolly tunes in his books, ones often heard at sessions.
There are a lot in there to keep most people happy!

I have no connection with Nick, except having chatted to him at Radway sessions at Sidmouth.
It's just that they are a tune source that time after time I refer back to.....
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« Reply #59 on: June 07, 2018, 09:53:33 PM »

I would recommend the northumbrian pipers tune books 1 and 2,    and the ceildh collection volumes 1,2,3,&4. 

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