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Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« on: July 29, 2018, 07:53:36 AM »

Does anyone know the layout of Emmanuel Pariselle's Dipper Franglo instrument? I’m curious and have searched here where it gets mentioned quite a bit, and on concertina.net where it doesn’t get mentioned much.
Secondly...has anyone tried the Harmonikas concertina reeds?

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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2018, 08:13:45 AM »

The layout is the same as Emmanuel’s 2.5 row melodeon layout,
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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2018, 09:32:29 AM »

Ah right..but split in two with lower notes on L and higher on R?

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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2018, 09:52:23 AM »

Ah right..but split in two with lower notes on L and higher on R?

Nope. Laid out the same as a melodeon, treble on the right and bass and chords on the left
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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2018, 10:10:57 AM »

The whole point of the Franglo concept is that it has the same layout as a melodeon on both sides but in a concertina shaped package and with concertina reeds.   It is single voice on the right, basses are single reeds, but the left hand chords have two reeds - tonic and fifth.
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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2018, 10:39:23 AM »

Perhaps a couple of pictures might be useful for us few with poor imaginations?
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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2018, 10:46:29 AM »

A picture wouldn't help a lot - it looks just like a large-ish anglo concertina, on both ends.

Here's Emmanuel playing it.
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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2018, 10:53:24 AM »

Thanks for that, Anahata. But, bearing in mind that it has the, "same layout as a melodeon on both sides", I'm still confused. Is it configured 10 on the right and 8 on the left? Or maybe 21 and 8, or what?
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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2018, 11:49:41 AM »

8:34 into this video gives a good look at the right hand end of the Franglo at an oblique angle. It looks to me like it has two and a half rows of buttons set in a slight arc which makes it look a little like one end of a proper anglo.
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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2018, 11:51:05 AM »

Treble will be 10/9/6 and the bass 14

Here is the D/G version of Emmanuel's Layout
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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2018, 01:15:26 PM »

They were making "Club Model" Bandonikas in Germany in the 1930s, using Bandoneon/Chemnitzer concertina construction methods. The Franglo is a very similar concept, but built like an English-made concertina...
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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2018, 11:40:29 PM »

8:34 into this video gives a good look at the right hand end of the Franglo at an oblique angle. It looks to me like it has two and a half rows of buttons set in a slight arc which makes it look a little like one end of a proper anglo.

It also gives you great seperation between what the two ends of a Franglo do...
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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2018, 10:11:55 AM »

I've played both Emmanuel's, and Colin Dipper's franglos and they were …very intuiitive.

Left ends were bass chord, with the latter in 1+5 mode. Again the core "8" was intuitive. 12, 14 and 18 bass layouts are always idiosyncratic

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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2018, 09:15:25 AM »

I think we can safely assume that Colin's not making any more of these, but how about Jake at Wolverton Concertinas? I have been considering asking him if he'd make one - I expect the R&D would be a bit much to expect him to do for one instrument, but how many of us would be interested if he might consider making a batch?

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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2018, 10:15:59 AM »

The essence of the Franglo concept is that it uses traditional concertina design principles, especially the reeds.  So far Jake only makes hybrids with accordion reeds.  Apart from the sound being different from the exquisite reeds that Colin makes I think accordion reeds would make the whole package much larger.
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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2018, 10:24:11 AM »

I think we can safely assume that Colin's not making any more of these, but how about Jake at Wolverton Concertinas? I have been considering asking him if he'd make one - I expect the R&D would be a bit much to expect him to do for one instrument, but how many of us would be interested if he might consider making a batch?

I've already discussed and he was open to the idea. So that's two takers (:)

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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2018, 10:32:59 AM »

The essence of the Franglo concept is that it uses traditional concertina design principles, especially the reeds.  So far Jake only makes hybrids with accordion reeds.  Apart from the sound being different from the exquisite reeds that Colin makes I think accordion reeds would make the whole package much larger.

He was talking about doing his own reeds a bit earlier in the year; he's knows the Dippers well so has a decent chance of being able to do it I'd say. When I see him next I'll ask him how he's getting on...

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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2018, 10:35:10 AM »

Another young maker worth approaching is Alex Holden.
https://www.holdenconcertinas.com
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Re: Franglo layout and Harmonikas reeds
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2018, 01:01:41 PM »

Otherwise, if you fancy trying out the concept, you could always try a Club Model Bandonika - they often crop up on eBay, though this one (which seems to be the only one at the moment) seems rather expensive... :(
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