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Roger Hare

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Unusual(?) use of '-'...
« on: November 20, 2019, 11:38:15 AM »
I just came across the following ABC code:

...| B-AA A2 c | Bcd GAB | B-AA A2 E |...

Anyone know what the hyphens mean please? They can't be meant as ties as B is different from A...

Is it possibly a mistake for a slur - should it be:

...| (BA)A A2 c | Bcd GAB | (BA)A A2 E |...

The 'reverse' mistake (using a slur when a tie is meant) is fairly common(*):

...| B(AA) A2 c | Bcd GAB | B(AA) A2 E |...

but I haven't seen this before...

Thank you.

Roger

(*) From GG's manual: ...Although ties and slurs are graphically very similar, they have a completely different
musical meaning. Do not use ties to connect notes of different pitch: MIDI output (see Section 6.1, p. 91) would
be wrong...
« Last Edit: November 20, 2019, 11:50:33 AM by Roger Hare »
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Re: Unusual(?) use of '-'...
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2019, 12:13:23 PM »
My guess is that it is ignorance of correct ABC syntax on the transcriber's part and a slur was intended.
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Re: Unusual(?) use of '-'...
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2019, 03:07:10 PM »
Quote from: Pete Dunk on November 20, 2019, 12:13:23 PM
My guess is that it is ignorance of correct ABC syntax on the transcriber's part and a slur was intended.
That was my first thought, but, the 'intended slur' does not appear on the score (at least in EasyABC it
doesn't), so I am a little mystified. Surely the transcriber would have spotted that? Maybe I will try feeding
the code directly to abcm2ps, etc. to see what happens, instead of going via EasyABC. Ta...
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Re: Unusual(?) use of '-'...
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2019, 03:37:30 PM »
Likely the transcriber was using different software and it worked, or the transcriber does not use typesetting software at all and is not aware of the difference in meaning. 
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Re: Unusual(?) use of '-'...
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2019, 01:09:19 PM »
It has just occurred to me that the file may have been exported from another program which exports to xml. Easy ABC imports .xml, the results are not always perfect  ::) .
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Re: Unusual(?) use of '-'...
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2019, 03:17:03 PM »
With abcm2ps (which I use, and which is the ABC engine in several other programs) a '-' between different notes is flagged as an error. Possibly not a fatal one, which would be why you get a rendering without the slur/tie showing on it.
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Re: Unusual(?) use of '-'...
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2019, 05:08:22 PM »
Quote from: Anahata on November 21, 2019, 03:17:03 PM
...which would be why you get a rendering without the slur/tie showing on it.
Aye, that's exactly what happens. I'm strongly tempted to just edit 'em out when encountered - doesn't
seem to have any effect...
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