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Re: Triple time hornpipe chord playing
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2018, 12:19:41 PM »

Here a great triple hornpipe from Playford using bass note accompanyment only. z = rest and x = no note, either can be used in the %%MIDI gchord command to produce a silent beat so %%MIDI gchord fxf and %%MIDI gchord fzf will both have the same effect, bass note on beats 1 and 3 only.

X:69
T:Well Hall
C:Playford, 1679
Q:1/2=120
M:3/2
L:1/8
%%titlefont Helvetica 22
%%subtitlefont Helvetica 16
%%composerfont Helvetica 16
%%wordsfont Helvetica 16
%%partsfont Arial 20
%%partsbox
%%gchordfont Arial 16
%%barnumbers 1
%%MIDI program 40 % violin
%%MIDI chordprog 0 % piano
%%MIDI gchord fxf
K:Dm clef=treble
V:1 gchord=down
P:A
|:"F"A2c2d2c2f2A2|"C"G4E4B4|"F"A2c2d2c2f2g2|\
"Dm"a8 "C"g4|"Dm"a2g2f2c2d2f2|
"Bb"d4F4 "F"A4|"Gm"G2A2B2c2A4|"C"B6c2B4::\
P:B
"Bb"B2F2G2F2G2B2|"Bb"D6B2D4|
"C"E2G2A2G2A2c2|"C"E6c2B4|"F"A2c2d2c2f2c2|\
"Bb"d6efg2d2|"C"e2c2A2a2f2a2|"F"f6g2f4:|
V:2
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Re: Triple time hornpipe chord playing
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2018, 01:37:48 PM »

I was wondering if the Red Lion Hornpipe would emerge in this discussion!
I first heard it through Brass Monkey's playing, and then JK playing it fast on a single row in one of his cd's accompanying his English Choice books.  It is one of my tunes that I'm never happy with and haven't got it properly off-pat.
I'm never sure where the chords fall....... Niether the band nor JK's efforts on a single row are explicit in when the chords should be played.

A workshop over the summer featured a 3/2 tune so I think I'm getting there in my general understanding.
The workshop tune from Hazell Askew brought my attention to the absolute precision in where she put the bass/chord, and when she *didn't* play.
 I keep going back to the Red Lion and trying to be as precise.
Wondering how do others play it?
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Re: Triple time hornpipe chord playing
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2018, 01:45:49 PM »

I was wondering if the Red Lion Hornpipe would emerge in this discussion!...
Wondering how do others play it?
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McG and friend play  it as clearly as you could want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG-PUhwFzhQ
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Re: Triple time hornpipe chord playing
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2018, 02:37:29 PM »

Yes, that's clear, and Anahata has a nice version, here, with Mary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-SdC3u2X3A

I am finding it difficult to express my question:
Am I right in thinking the beat occurs on the first note of the phrase in each bar?
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Re: Triple time hornpipe chord playing
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2018, 02:45:56 PM »

 ( ….it's stuff I should know, just seem to have a real blindspot on this tune.)
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Re: Triple time hornpipe chord playing
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2018, 04:10:43 PM »

Yes, that's clear, and Anahata has a nice version, here, with Mary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-SdC3u2X3A

I am finding it difficult to express my question:
Am I right in thinking the beat occurs on the first note of the phrase in each bar?
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I think I am hearing three beats to the bar with equal emphasis on each beat. Each beat contains more than one note and it is the first of this group that is emphasised. Perhaps you are counting each beat as a bar? I may be completely wrong here (happens a lot!) so maybe this is best left for Anahata to answer.
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Re: Triple time hornpipe chord playing
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2018, 05:47:42 PM »

If it's any help, the Red Lion starts on the first beat of the bar. That "dfdf" pattern is the first beat each time. That should get your beats reference sorted.

I blame the incoherent rambling at the start of that clip and the fluffed notes on having had a 5 hour nightmare non-stop drive to get there. The Dartford crossing was closed because of high winds, and East London was gridlocked. We arrived about 10 minutes before our first set was due to start, having not had the expected leisurely meal en route.

(yes, we should have gone all the way round the M25 the other way. 20/20 hindsight...)
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Re: Triple time hornpipe chord playing
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2018, 06:21:10 PM »

Yes it is as I thought and both Pete and Anahata confirmed.
I was right in my thoughts, just needed reassuring!
Thanks both.

Right.... I need to keep at it and mentally move it into the 'learnt' folder as I've been messing with it for too long  ;)
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Re: Triple time hornpipe chord playing
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2018, 11:05:26 AM »

Thanks to all contributions on this thread, especially Gena and Peter.
I've had a go at the  '%%MIDI gchord fff' command and understand now how it works, and hopefully it'll help with writing the horn parts.
I appreciate the comments from Steve and Anahata re the issues with accompanying triple time hornpipes. Does anyone have any evidence for how these were accompanied historically?
John Offord is his 'John of the Green' book made some suggestions as to how they could be stepped, and that was one prompt for us having a go at writing a dance to step to. Looking at videos on YouTube, current dancers walk them.
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Re: Triple time hornpipe chord playing
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2018, 11:41:27 AM »

Hugh, bear in mind that the MIDI command can be used in the body text to vary the accompanyment through the tune as long as the command is in square brackets.

[%%MIDI gchord fxf]"Dm"a8 "C"g4|[%%MIDI gchord fff]"Dm"a2g2f2c2d2f2|[%%MIDI gchord ccc]
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Re: Triple time hornpipe chord playing
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2019, 09:40:59 PM »

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