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Julian S

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Naragonia Too Late to Sleep
« on: September 22, 2018, 03:02:29 PM »

Anyone know if this tune by Toon Van Mierlo is in either of the Naragonia tunebooks ? I'm getting my fingers around Hellebore, which precedes the tune on the quartet album Idili, but the b part of 'Too Late...' is confusing my ears...so probably need dots to get it. At least it's in D after Gm(ish) for the first tune !

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Re: Naragonia Too Late to Sleep
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2018, 05:09:19 PM »

I've had a look in both, and can't see it, I'm afraid.

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Re: Naragonia Too Late to Sleep
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2018, 05:14:10 PM »

Thanks for looking Roger. Shame but it's probably good for me to work it out by ear...

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Re: Naragonia Too Late to Sleep
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2018, 09:13:01 PM »

Is this the thing that starts at 2.51 in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXUj4okEAZg

If so I can try to work it out for you. I don't think it's as tricky to work out as the A section that you've already worked out. Let me know if you want me to have a go.
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Re: Naragonia Too Late to Sleep
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2018, 09:56:04 PM »

Yep - that's the bit - haven't tried slowing it down yet...my next plan...but any help gratefully received. The first tune is proving great fun to learn on my D/G 2.4, whether it'll ever reach performance level is another matter !

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Re: Naragonia Too Late to Sleep
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2018, 11:28:36 PM »

Would be interested to see the results if anyone does work out some dots for this. I’ve had a brief pass at it, but really need to slow it down properly to get it wired  (:)
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Re: Naragonia Too Late to Sleep
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2018, 11:35:01 PM »

That's pretty much what I was expecting, with of course the upward bends, or what ever you want to call them on the top notes.
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Re: Naragonia Too Late to Sleep
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2018, 12:03:52 AM »

...upward bends, or what ever you want to call them...

acciaccaturae
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Re: Naragonia Too Late to Sleep
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2018, 09:39:41 AM »

...upward bends, or what ever you want to call them...

acciaccaturae

Not really - the 'upward bend' could not be termed an acciaccatura, which refers to a 'crushed in' short grace note which happens immediately before the beat of the main note. See here. I guess it's a bit like the 'cut' grace note in traditional Scots or Irish music. That's not what's happening here.

The 'upward bend' is a sort of slide from one note to another; nearest musical term for it would be a portamento, but even that doesn't properly describe what's going on.
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Re: Naragonia Too Late to Sleep
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2018, 01:11:22 PM »

...upward bends, or what ever you want to call them...

acciaccaturae

Not really - the 'upward bend' could not be termed an acciaccatura, which refers to a 'crushed in' short grace note which happens immediately before the beat of the main note. See here. I guess it's a bit like the 'cut' grace note in traditional Scots or Irish music. That's not what's happening here.

The 'upward bend' is a sort of slide from one note to another; nearest musical term for it would be a portamento, but even that doesn't properly describe what's going on.

How about pimento, then?
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Re: Naragonia Too Late to Sleep
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2018, 11:00:53 PM »

How about pimento, then?
Sounds a bit hot to me. ;)
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Re: Naragonia Too Late to Sleep
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2018, 07:50:50 AM »

Digressing more than somewhat...whats the Italian for a note the finger is magnetically drawn to play instead of the 'correct' one ? One reflection there are several subclasses - notes misheard during learning, easier options, substitutions because the correct note is unavailable, the ones that you think sound much better anyway...and then theres the  'oh **** got it wrong' ...

More and more I realise that hitting the ' right ' notes is only the starting point and is no guarantee that the notes together will sound anything like. I'm tempted to record the Naragonia tune 'Pink Molly' for this months theme but whilst I'm playing notes as written, the overall outcome just doesn't feel right.

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Re: Naragonia Too Late to Sleep
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2018, 08:39:44 AM »

...whats the Italian for a note the finger is magnetically drawn to play instead of the 'correct' one ?
Would that be an oscitsitura? ;D
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Re: Naragonia Too Late to Sleep
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2018, 11:27:16 AM »

Digressing more than somewhat...whats the Italian for a note the finger is magnetically drawn to play instead of the 'correct' one?

Mamamia.

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...whilst I'm playing notes as written, the overall outcome just doesn't feel right.

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Music is more than playing the right notes in the right order...
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Re: Naragonia Too Late to Sleep
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2018, 12:54:06 PM »

Digressing more than somewhat...whats the Italian for a note the finger is magnetically drawn to play instead of the 'correct' one?

Mamamia.

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...whilst I'm playing notes as written, the overall outcome just doesn't feel right.

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Music is more than playing the right notes in the right order...

You said it ! Might get that printed on a t-shirt...

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Re: Naragonia Too Late to Sleep
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2018, 05:48:48 PM »


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...whilst I'm playing notes as written, the overall outcome just doesn't feel right.

J

Music is more than playing the right notes in the right order...

https://youtu.be/FqHH1UQqIMs   :|glug

You said it ! Might get that printed on a t-shirt...

J
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