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Author Topic: Dots for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' and discovery of Buttrey manuscript  (Read 1262 times)

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Hi Gang,
I have just been contacted by a friend trying to get his box playing going again, and he's been listening to JK's Shropshire Militia Hornpipe.
He asked me if I have any dots or abc's and sadly I don't.
I've tried an internet search and can't see it...…
Has anyone out there able to help a lone box player in far off lands?
yours very hopefully
Q

** Please note: I have amended the thread title to reflect the manuscript content.
This thread has moved on and in the process of discovering the tune has managed to unearth a manuscript of 1,000 tunes along with a really fascinating story regarding the author. Several members involved in this thread have now undertaken notating the manuscript.
There is a sister thread relating more to the actual manuscript and those working on it. If you wish to check out this sister thread, go to the ABC 'child' forum attached to this Tunes forum **
best wishes
Q.
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2018, 12:46:13 PM »

Thanks to some excellent sleuthing by one of us melnetter, I'm now sorted.
Rest easy, stand down peeps  (:)
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2018, 01:04:13 PM »

The wonders of t'internet ! And only another thousand tunes in the manuscript...John Buttrey Ms for those interested.
I shall look forward to adding this one to my local tune repertoire when my swollen finger (due to playing too many carols I reckon) recovers. And just when I've got French session this evening, dance practice tomorrow, carols on Thursday...

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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2018, 01:29:11 PM »

Oh blimey..... I'm not going to notate all that lot!
Well..... Not today  ;)
Thanks super sleuth!
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2018, 08:19:14 PM »

Oh blimey..... I'm not going to notate all that lot!

I think I can feel another Village Music Project epic transcription session coming on!  :o
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2018, 09:13:22 PM »

Well...!!
I put the tune into abcexplorer for my friend who is really pleased for the tune and also impressed at the networking that is Melnet.

I've also looked at the manuscript. John Buttrey was a fascinating person, joining the 34th Regiment in 1797 serving in South Africa then India getting discharge and then emigrating to Canada with his manuscript. What I find wonderful is this manuscript of tunes and drawing was passed down the family until it was microfiched in the National Archives, Ottowa in 1972. Just lovely the family had it.
Anyway.... There's a lot of tunes here, and a great story too.
Take a read....
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2018, 10:01:27 PM »

Oh blimey..... I'm not going to notate all that lot!

I think I can feel another Village Music Project epic transcription session coming on!  :o

I had to do some. Couldn't help myself. It's like a drug.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2018, 11:56:00 PM »

The VMP will welcome you with open arms Greg, especially with the thick end of a thousand tunes to do!

This is actually very exciting because the VMPs work has largely been done, all known English collections have been transcribed, published or are inaccessible in private collections.
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2018, 12:34:49 AM »

Well...!!
I put the tune into abcexplorer for my friend who is really pleased for the tune and also impressed at the networking that is Melnet.

So, you're not sharing Q? Hmm?
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2018, 01:08:30 AM »

Here's my take on this tune.

X:23
T:Shropshire Militia Hornpipe
M:C|
L:1/8
%%titlefont Helvetica, 22
%%subtitlefont Helvetica,16
%%composerfont Helvetica
%%partsfont Arial, 20
%%partsbox
%%gchordfont Arial, 16
%%barnumbers 1
%%MIDI program 73 % flute
Q:1/2=80
K:D
AG|FDFA dfed|cgec AGFE|FAdf gfed|c2A2A2A>G|FDFA dfed|
cgec AGFE|FdBG FAEG|F2D2D2::Ad|dAdf gfed|eAce gfdc|
dcBA Ffed|c2A2A2 A>G|FDFA dfed|dcBA GFEC|DdBG FAEG|
F2D2D2::AG|FGEF DFAd|cdBc Aceg|fdef gfed|c2A2A3A|
BdAd GdFd|BdAd GdFd|BdBG FAGE|F2D2D2:|


Edit: Correct typo and remove duplicate bars in the last line - cheers Steve!

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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2018, 05:34:33 AM »

https://buttreymilitarysocialtunes1800.wordpress.com/2018/11/27/all-961-melodies-now-posted/

Oh, joy! What a fabulous resource!!! I'm going to transcribe a couple at random to see what I get
(how I wish I could sight-read...).

I just had a quick look at the web site, and apart from  the tunes themselves, one of the delights of
this manuscript is the small drawings interspersed with many of the scores. The amount of work that
must have been undertaken here is phenomenal (that is, the work undertaken by both the folks who
created the original MS and drawings, and the team who are in the process of resurrecting this
fabulous collection...).

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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2018, 07:30:58 AM »

I only had time to scan through the ms after I unearthed it yesterday - just on the hunt for the tune in question. Luckily a review of the JK album including the tune mentioned John Buttrey as the source, and t'internet quickly put me on the track to Canada...where Buttrey ended up with his book of tunes.
Fascinating story behind the tune book - and lots of hard work has been undertaken by the Canadian project enabling us to look at it . (I will definitely send my personal vote of thanks !)

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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2018, 08:06:43 AM »

Here's my take

X:1
T:Shropshire Militia Hornpipe
C: Buttrey Military & Social Tunes Manuscripts, 1790 - 1840
z: transposed by Quinton Cumbes 17.12.2018
M:2/2
L:1/8
Q:1/2=80
K:D
AG|FDFA dfed|cgec AGFE|FAdf gfed|c2A2A2A>G|
FDFA dfed|cgec AGFE|FdBG FAEG|F2D2D2:|
Ad|dAdf afed|eAce afdc|dcBA Ffed|c2A2A2A>G|
FDFA dfed|dcBA GFEC|DdBG FAEG |F2D2D2:|
AG|FGEF DFAd|cdBc Aceg|fdef gfed|c2A2A3A|
BdAd GdFd|BdAd GdFd|BdBG FAEG|F2D2D2:|
W:
W: John Buttrey joined 34th Regiment in Lincoln 1797 as drummer ( fifer) aged 13. He served
W:
W: in South Afria & India for 19 years, gunshot in India 1805 then discharged at Landguage
W:
W: Fort England 12th July 1814. He emigrated to Canada in 1849 with his manuscripts. He died in
W:
W: 1854, manuscripts kept in the family unti being micsofilched at National Archives, Ottowa 1972.


As I thought it might be a one-off tune, have added some notes. I quite like remembering things about a tune.

Pete - I wasn't sure of the situation when copying a tune from a manuscript like this, hence me not sharing. Therefore following your lead, this is my take!
Cheers
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2018, 08:27:40 AM »

I'd just like to emphasise, this is all due to Julian's digging around after I'd emailed him wondering if he knew the tune.
He deserves the recognition for unearthing the archive!
Good job done mate  (:)
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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2018, 09:01:50 AM »

Great stuff. Thanks for the ABCs.

I've filled in the contact form on the Buttrey site to ask about putting them on the VMP.
My personal interest: I'm actually hosting the VMP site now. I don't want any copyright infringements!
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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2018, 09:19:15 AM »

Ummm.... Depending on Anahata's reply, Pete, are you serious about a project?
I have no idea what it might entail....
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« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2018, 03:25:13 PM »

I brought it to the attention of Chris Partington of the VMP and he's looking into it, we'll see what transpires.
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« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2018, 03:47:27 PM »

Thanks Pete
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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2018, 11:22:49 PM »

Nice reply from Sandra Cameron:

Hello Anahata,

So glad you found the Buttrey site.  The whole purpose of the site is to let
musicians everywhere have access to the music, not just the dedicated fifers who
previously had access to it, so yes, please make ABC files if you wish. (I am
not familiar with this type of file but I see that is what your members use.)

From your forum, it seems some of your members are as excited about the music as
some of the Canadian fife and old time musicians were when they found the music.
I was very fortunate to have considerable interest from Fort York in Toronto who
were able to help considerably with tracking down military records etc.

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