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Author Topic: Dots for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' and discovery of Buttrey manuscript  (Read 1618 times)

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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2018, 07:50:01 AM »

I am really pleased about this Anahata...great outcome of my websearch following up Qs enquiry (thanks Q - I had no idea what I'd dig out !)
I have emailed Ian Bell at the Ontario Traditional Music Library to say 'thanks' as well - the site provided the necessary signpost and background info.
I will definitely be adding the Shropshire Militia HP to our band repertoire, seems apt as we often play at Blists Hill Victorian town. And what other great tunes are to be found ?

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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2018, 09:49:48 AM »

Yes, thanks Anahata, that is a lovely reply to your enquiry.
Pete has been in contact with the Village Music Project, so when he has a reply we can take stock.
As I understand it, Pete has been involved with similar projects before so his advice and direction will be much appreciated.
Cheers
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2018, 10:01:51 AM »

Yes, thanks Anahata, that is a lovely reply to your enquiry.
Pete has been in contact with the Village Music Project, so when he has a reply we can take stock.
That is indeed good news.  (:)

I'm happy to take part in sharing some of the encoding to ABC.
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2018, 10:21:54 AM »

Thanks Steve.
I presume we need to simply organise ourselves so we don't all encode the same tunes!
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2018, 11:00:15 AM »

Each transcriber is given a block of tunes to work on by Chris P. Once you've finished your block you send your ABC file back to Chris for proofreading and he sends you another block of tunes to transcribe. This continues until the job is completed. I'll let Chris know that we have new volunteers, he may comment in this thread as he is a member here.
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2018, 11:51:01 AM »

Each transcriber is given a block of tunes to work on by Chris P. Once you've finished your block you send your ABC file back to Chris for proofreading and he sends you another block of tunes to transcribe. This continues until the job is completed....
Sounds good to me. Put me on the list.  (:)
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2018, 11:56:42 AM »

Thanks Pete, I'm up for it too, please put my name forward.
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2018, 01:39:03 PM »

Each transcriber is given a block of tunes to work on by Chris P. Once you've finished your block you send your ABC file back to Chris for proofreading and he sends you another block of tunes to transcribe. This continues until the job is completed...

Well now, I'm already transcribing a few of these tunes into ABC for my own private use. So far, I'm only transcribing
tunes for which a 'modern' transcription appears in the indexed lists (downloadable as a PDF by right-clicking on the image).
The tunes for which this has been done appear to be in the minority so far, and I don't have the confidence to interpret
and transcribe from the facsimiles of hand-written pages from the original MS which also appear in the indexed lists.

I've started at No. 1 [Conitz(?) - A Retreat], and will just plug on till I get bored. I'm transcribing in my own slightly
idiosyncratic ABC coding 'style', but if it would be useful/helpful, I'll be more than happy to donate whatever I have to
the pool if and when such a project gets off the ground.

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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2018, 05:50:48 PM »

It's worth reading the notes on the VMP web site about how the ABC files are made, in respect of editorial decisions and the ABC protocol:
https://www.village-music-project.org.uk/?page_id=17

That page is written to address users i.e. explains how it's been done.
I don't know if there's a more prescriptive document for the benefit of coders. No doubt Pete Dunk or Chris Partington (both of whom are melnet members) can advise.
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2018, 10:47:32 PM »

I wrote a long and complex reply to this post and hit 'Preview' without thinking. It messed up of course and now it is lost forever. I am way too stressed out and tired to reply again. Ah me!
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2018, 03:05:53 PM »

Many thanks to those who helped me with this tune, Thrupenny bit & Julian S especially, sounds like it may have started something! Now I have to learn it, don't I? Ah well, something do during these dark winter nights  :||:
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2018, 03:11:07 PM »

Hi Steve,
Welcome aboard the Mad House  ;D
Yes this is *all* you fault so you do need to learn it. I will be testing you next time we catch up  >:E
take care
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2018, 03:47:17 PM »

I don't know if there's a more prescriptive document for the benefit of coders. No doubt Pete Dunk or Chris Partington (both of whom are melnet members) can advise.

Here's a link to an older version of the VMP Modus Operandii
Some of the information in the old document is outdated as the rules of ABC usage and syntax have been changed.
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2018, 04:29:57 PM »

Many thanks to those who helped me with this tune, Thrupenny bit & Julian S especially, sounds like it may have started something! Now I have to learn it, don't I? Ah well, something do during these dark winter nights  :||:

Thanks Steve. Guess what I have been playing this aft - two slightly different versions already...so it'll be interesting to see how it ends up (particularly when our fiddler gets his stamp on it as well ::))

And I also had a scan through the index of all the other tunes...hours of fun !

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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2018, 06:01:05 PM »


...And I also had a scan through the index of all the other tunes...hours of fun !


More like a lifetime, unless you learn tunes quicker than me  (:)
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2018, 06:16:59 AM »

Slight thread-drift kicking in...

...the notes on the VMP web site about how the ABC files are made...
https://www.village-music-project.org.uk/?page_id=17..

Thank you - I hadn't spotted that. Helpful. My SOPs are not radically different from that. Remembering
that I'm producing scores primarily for my own private use, the two main differences are:

1) I use spaces generously to produce an 'easily readable' ABC script, and tend to explicitly specify
    opening and closing repeat markers (ie: |: . . . :| rather than ::
2) I (generally) restrict myself to the sub-set X:, T:, C:, M:, L:, Q:, R:, P:, K:, P:, w:, W: (usually)
    in that order. I tend to use comments (leading %) in place of all t'others (N:, D:, B:, Z:, O:, H:,
    etc.).

I use commands to the abc2midi and abc2ps programs as required (eg: I use a sans-serif font as
default). These can be global or local in scope, as required.

Why? Because this approach produces a simple, uncluttered, simple score - which I really, really need.
All t'other information will be there, it's just hidden from view.
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Re: Dots or abc for 'Shropshire Militia Hornpipe' anyone?
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2018, 12:07:36 PM »

Slight thread-drift kicking in...

To avoid any further thread-drift I've started a new topic in the ABC forum.
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