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Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« on: December 20, 2018, 07:57:04 PM »

Hi, I love this album by Outhouse Allstars, and there's one tune that been driving me nuts. It's title is Engelska, which translates as "English" and I'm sure I've heard it as an English session tune. Anybody know what it's based on?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvKMdkm1JNs
It claims to be "Trad" and arranged by the band members. Does it just sound like an English tune, or is it one I should know?
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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2018, 08:31:45 PM »

Wow, that is gorgeous, so danceable!
I don't recognise it as anything English.
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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2018, 08:36:26 PM »

 ;D aargh!!!!  I've been playing this for nearly 40 years and can't remember what it's called  ::)
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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2018, 08:38:07 PM »

Engelska is the type of tune, rather than the title.
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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2018, 08:39:36 PM »

;D aargh!!!!  I've been playing this for nearly 40 years and can't remember what it's called  ::)


Glad it's not just me, I have played this many times but can't find the name in my addled old brain.

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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2018, 08:44:24 PM »

Good point, I guess I was imagining a swedish session somewhere and that tune being played, and somebody asking "what's that one called?". "Oh it's the English one" would come the reply. Maybe that's how it got it's title?  ;D
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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2018, 08:46:52 PM »

Maybe that’s how it started.  And like the Schottish it has emerged as something fresh and new.
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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2018, 08:55:33 PM »

The tune is reminiscent of that used for the bothy ballad "The piglet on the spree"
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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2018, 09:09:27 PM »

It reminds me of the Liverpool Hornpipe with a swinging Scandinavian rockabilly treatment.
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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2018, 09:11:40 PM »

It can be found on an LP of spelmanslåtar (fiddle tunes) from Orust, a sizeable island off the western coast of Sweden a little north of Göteborg (Gothenburg).  As is common, it is titled simply Engelska.  Further information is sometimes appended according to place or the name of the "tradition bearer" from whom it was collected:  Engelska from [place] or Engelska after [musician].  Basically, Engelska is a dance form, sort of like hornpipe or reel.

Engelskas are most commonly found in this area due to the proximity to England and the resulting shortest sea routes between the countries.  The provincial/county names of Bohuslän and Västergötland will often show up.  This particular melody is one of the most common...and a darned good tune.  I think I learned it on fiddle about 40 years ago.

It would be interesting to backtrack it and see if it has a commonality with any tunes from the east coast of England.  I'd start looking between Harwich and Newcastle, especially around Hull and Grimsby.

Edit:

Here is a trio of Swedish musicians from the Orust area showing what happens when tunes from another country wash up on the beach.

https://youtu.be/vsfuZ3zXc5E
« Last Edit: December 20, 2018, 09:45:21 PM by Dick Rees »
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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2018, 09:56:46 PM »

https://www.discogs.com/Outhouse-Allstars-Live-At-Rans%C3%A4ter/release/4892262  It'll be listed here

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That's great!  Here they are:  https://youtu.be/xvKMdkm1JNs

I learned the tune from friends in Västergötland in the spring of 1982 and spent that summer playing music in and around Arvika.  I lived next door to  the Stinnerbom family and remember Magnus at age 4.  Now he's an Outhouse Allstar on YouTube.  I'm certain I played this for dances there along with his father and my host Mats Eden who formed the band Groupa around that time.
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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2018, 09:59:39 PM »

What Ian said.

It reminds me of the Liverpool Hornpipe with a swinging Scandinavian rockabilly treatment.

When I visited Göteburg (in I think 1978) as fiddler for Towersey Morris and folk-dance group, our hosts played an Engelska very frequently, perhaps in our honour - it was actually Soldier's Joy.

PS Dick - your "here they are" is the same clip we were listening to already!

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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2018, 10:10:10 PM »

Well, that's a lot more info than I could come up with when Steve asked me!
Let's hope AnnC or Lester has a lightbulb moment  :Ph
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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2018, 10:13:11 PM »

I think Baltic Crossing has recorded this tune, or one very like it, but I can't recall which album, or the name they have for it.
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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2018, 10:19:32 PM »

“Engelska” indeed just means “English” and probably refers to the dance style which might perhaps have English folk/Playford origins. This one seems to be based on the Engelska for three couples, as danced here in Sweden:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LflJmHNTETs&list=RDLflJmHNTETs&start_radio=1&t=35
Or at the Skansen open-air folk museum in Stockholm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfY2vFnIP8A
Or in Finland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy_NnDV5p7Q
And on Stiamh’s comment, we also once watched some Norwegian folk dancers performing to what was clearly Soldier’s Joy.
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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2018, 10:28:14 PM »

The Scandinavian setting of what we call Soldiers Joy is usually called Sexmansril or "6 person reel" and has a third part.

My friend Matt Haney visited acquaintances in northern Sweden back in the mid-70's who took him out to visit a 90-some year old fiddler.  The old man asked him what he would like to hear and Matt asked him to play the oldest tune he knew.

It was Soldiers Joy.
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« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2018, 10:43:06 PM »

Sounds like - whiskey before breakfast - to me.
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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2018, 05:21:58 AM »

Similar to Madame Boneparte perhaps? ... a very “dim” lightbulb moment at 5 in the morning  ;D though Smiley’s suggestion of Liverpool Hornpipe is probably better ;D

edited after a 2nd cup of tea... the 5am one didn’t wake me up properly
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Re: Can anybody identify the origins of this swedish tune?
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2018, 07:31:31 AM »

It doesn't sound like any of the five and a half tunes I know  >:E

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(Edit) Or should that read, the five tunes I half know?
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