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Tone Dumb Greg

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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #420 on: March 11, 2019, 02:47:54 PM »

Advice please:
I'm transcribing tune 936 here.....
https://buttreymilitarysocialtunes1800.wordpress.com/melodies/melodies-775-961/

The third line down in the photo shows the end of the A/start of the B music.
Above the first two bars is a tie and underneath the tie, is written something that I read as 'Bis'
Wozzat?
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Confused of Devon  ;)

Just to cheer you up, did you notice there are 11 bars in the B part?
I wondered about "trio", but I'm not convinced.
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #421 on: March 11, 2019, 03:04:54 PM »

I haven't checked it through properly, I'll do that when I have an answer to 'Bis'.
I wondered if it meant 'repeat these notes' to make up the bar 's worth of notes.
'Tis a mystery!
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #422 on: March 11, 2019, 03:23:44 PM »

Bis is (well, was) a standard way of saying "twice", so those half bars become full bars. As to length of B music, with those two "Bis" it looks like 12 bars, i.e. perfectly OK.

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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #423 on: March 11, 2019, 04:38:08 PM »

Thanks Chris, that was my guess as it then makes perfect sense!
thank you....
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #424 on: March 11, 2019, 10:58:57 PM »

In concerts abroad sometimes it sounds like they're booing, when they are chanting 'bis' - similar in that context to encore. I can't off the top of my head remember which country. Europe, but I can't remember more than that. Should be easy to find out.
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #425 on: March 12, 2019, 08:49:30 AM »

Good heavens, thanks for that. I had no idea.
I seem to be learning an amazingly varied range of things from notating this manuscript!
Thanks again.
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #426 on: March 12, 2019, 11:09:56 AM »

Look forward to the day that you look at a tune you've never seen before and you start humming it before attempting the transcription.  8)
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #427 on: March 12, 2019, 12:46:44 PM »

It's a way off, but I'm learning a lot.
Which is excellent!
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #428 on: March 20, 2019, 02:27:08 PM »

OK, I think I have come up against 'My Tune', number 955.
There's lot's of 'Bis's' everywhere and a mid change of tempo which is keeping me on my toes.

But... I'm in mid-transposing, using abcexplorer.
If I type ' :| ' to end the bar, press 'enter' to go down a line, and type ' |: ' to start the next part, no script appears on the screen.
If I delete the 'enter' so the bar lies are ' :|  |: ' and type, the script appears on the screen
Instead of 4 bars per line I'm way past that. Something's not right.

I seem to not be able to go below line 25 in the left hand margin. Is there a size on the number of lines somewhere that I need to change?
I need to get this sorted before all my 'Bis's' can make sense!!
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #429 on: March 20, 2019, 03:06:16 PM »

When you start a new line with |: after ending the previous line with :| you will find that the |: on the new line disappears onto the end of the preceding line ( :||: ), until such time as you add the first note of the new line i.e. |:d - then the score rights itself. This is ABC Explorer specific.


You may have a different problem of course!
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #430 on: March 20, 2019, 03:37:56 PM »

Thanks Pete, yes aware of that one.
I think I have another problem!
It really does feel like there's a line limit of 25 lines......
Confused of Devon
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #431 on: March 20, 2019, 03:44:13 PM »

ahhhh got it!!!!
Something Pete has told me about before but I forgot...…
On the score view box, as I type, along the top line is a '1' in a box.
this is *page 1*
If I toggle it to 2 the rest of the score appears.
Duhhhh.

Sorry peeps, this tune is not only long, but has all the hiccups rolled into one!
Phew. This calls for a celebratory cuppa....
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #432 on: April 06, 2019, 09:40:32 AM »

The transcriptions are nearly all back to me now, and at least half a dozen of you are short of work (haha - as I like to think of it!), so I'm at the tidying up loose ends stage.
I've already handed out one small group of tunes that weren't going to get finished soon, but I have found one of the original volunteers who hasn't even started yet and who would like to pass the batch back.
So there are 47 tunes to be divided up among however many of you step into the breach. i.e. if six volunteer then it's merely six tunes each.
Then I can have it finished for Easter.
Replies by PM or email please if you would like some, or even if you would not then I will know how many to hand out.

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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #433 on: April 06, 2019, 02:12:59 PM »

I'm still finishing my third batch, Chris, but it won't be long before they're done.
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #434 on: April 06, 2019, 02:16:08 PM »

Just in case my email didn't get through ( experiencing 'lost' emails occasionally...)
I immediately replied to Chris to say I'm up for it.
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #435 on: April 10, 2019, 10:06:07 PM »

...I immediately replied to Chris to say I'm up for it...
Moi aussi, and while downloading the required page images today, I also downloaded the ABC code
for the first batch of tunes in which the first and second parts have been combined:

http://www.cpartington.plus.com/Links/Buttrey/ButtHarmonies1+2partsCombined.abc

I just listened to them. I am simply blown away by these two-part tunes - even when played back via
a grotty MIDI player, they are absolute magic!!!
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #436 on: April 11, 2019, 06:38:05 PM »

Question for the hive mind. I have a tune notated in 2 sharps, ending on D in both parts. The two Cs in the tune are accidental naturals, so it's really a tune in one sharp, I'm thinking the key is D mixolydian.

I've transcribed it as written, in two sharps. Should I just leave it alone, should I add a comment about the key, or change it to Dmix and remove the natural signs from the Cs?

Here 'tis: A good tune, perhaps best left as is?

X:757
T:Miss Corbet's Reel. JBut.757
M:C
L:1/8
Q:1/4=140
K:D
|:A|D/D/D FD ADFD|E=cGc EccE|D/D/D FD ADFD|BdAd FDD:|
|:g|fdag fddf|e=cgf ecce|fdag fdec|dBAd FEEg|
fdag fddf|e=cgf ecce|dfeg fagb|afge fdd:|
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #437 on: April 11, 2019, 06:44:51 PM »

it's really a tune in one sharp, I'm thinking the key is D mixolydian.

I've transcribed it as written, in two sharps. Should I just leave it alone, should I add a comment about the key, or change it to Dmix and remove the natural signs from the Cs?

Here 'tis: A good tune, perhaps best left as is?
f|e=cgf ecce|dfeg fagb|afge fdd:|

Are you playing the tune? If so, does it work with A major chords? If so, two sharps is right and they are accidentals. If it needs C major  and A minor to work it's in the mixolydian key. I'd notate it accordingly. If it works with both I would leave it as is and make a note about it.
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #438 on: April 11, 2019, 11:45:49 PM »

Pete, the tune looks like it could've been copied directly from Airds Selection of Scotch English Irish and Foreign Airs vol. 5 published in 1797 - including the odd key signature.  See https://www.tunearch.org/wiki/Miss_Corbett%27s_Reel

It seems sensible to notate the tune as Dmix (i.e. one sharp) to improve its legibility. The tune is an interesting prescursor to a popular reel called The College Grove (a three part tune nowadays).
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Re: The VMP Buttrey MSS Project
« Reply #439 on: April 12, 2019, 09:20:06 AM »

Agreed, Dmix, with a NB somewhere to indicate the change.
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