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Re: Key of D or Bm?
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2019, 11:27:15 PM »

Q: I would not regard this as a matter of theory so much as a matter of the feel of the tune.
Generally speaking i think that the fettlers have got the positioning of the chords right when the D A and G are so conveniently placed and the minor chords are on the inside row of my D/G box.
I would start with D chord until the feel of the tune absolutely forces me onto the minor chords. This might be a lazy approach but better than agonising over the key signature (I feel!)
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Re: Key of D or Bm?
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2019, 08:34:53 AM »

I can understand that comment.
As I've mentioned earlier I'm not as good at feeling the D / Bm relationship as I am with G and it's relative minor.
That said, there was a time when I struggled to differentiate between G and Em so I'm sure it will come.
It is reassuring to know it's down more to feel rather than rules.
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Re: Key of D or Bm?
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2019, 09:33:53 AM »

I can understand that comment.
...It is reassuring to know it's down more to feel rather than rules.


Of course, to me at least, that applies to all the music I play.
There are plenty of guidelines, but good things can come from stepping outside them.
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Re: Key of D or Bm?
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2019, 10:41:17 AM »

Yes, very true Greg.
Just want to make sure 'stepping outside' doesn't involve me 'trampling all over with size 9 feet'  ;)
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Re: Key of D or Bm?
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2019, 10:54:33 AM »

Yes, very true Greg.
Just want to make sure 'stepping outside' doesn't involve me 'trampling all over with size 9 feet'  ;)
I'm a music theory nerd but I was always taught that the "rules" were created to explain in academic terms what was going on. First and foremost it's the music that matters. John Coltrane didn't know about the Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization, he just played what he thought sounded good  (:)
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Re: Key of D or Bm?
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2019, 12:34:35 PM »

I'm a music theory nerd but I was always taught that the "rules" were created to explain in academic terms what was going on. First and foremost it's the music that matters. John Coltrane didn't know about the Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization, he just played what he thought sounded good  (:)

Yes, yes and yes.
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Re: Key of D or Bm?
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2019, 12:39:44 PM »

Thanks guys.
I always work on the principal ' ignorance is bliss    ;D
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Re: Key of D or Bm?
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2019, 06:14:43 AM »

I'm a music theory nerd but I was always taught that the "rules" were created to explain in academic terms what was going on. First and foremost it's the music that matters. John Coltrane didn't know about the Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization, he just played what he thought sounded good  (:)

I completely agree that music theory is descriptive and not prescriptive. However, I want to point out that John Coltrane studied advanced music theory with Dennis Sandole and absolutely understood and experimented with the theory behind what he was playing. He was by no means solely an "instinctive" player.
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Re: Key of D or Bm?
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2019, 02:04:44 PM »

Thanks guys.
I always work on the principal ' ignorance is bliss    ;D

I'm happy for you.
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Re: Key of D or Bm?
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2019, 02:58:43 PM »

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Re: Key of D or Bm?
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2019, 04:56:42 PM »

I completely agree that music theory is descriptive and not prescriptive. However, I want to point out that John Coltrane studied advanced music theory with Dennis Sandole and absolutely understood and experimented with the theory behind what he was playing. He was by no means solely an "instinctive" player.

One of my faux-authoritative screeds has been "Theory is the post-mortem of Music".
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Re: Key of D or Bm?
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2019, 10:52:35 PM »

Q: The other thought I have on this topic, but one not really based in experience, is whether semi-tone box players would be a little bemused by it. As I understand the situation, semi-tone box players are more likely to use right hand chords as a matter of course and so would naturally produce the appropriate key?
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Re: Key of D or Bm?
« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2019, 11:31:17 PM »

Most semitone box players don't play RH chords much. Two row semitone boxes are quite limited on RH chords anyway.
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Re: Key of D or Bm?
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2019, 12:03:45 AM »

Most semitone box players don't play RH chords much.

I'm sure that is correct. However some of us do think about chords and how to incorporate full and partial right-hand chords into our playing.

To answer busbox, though, I don't know why semitone box players would be less interested in a pieces's tonality than anybody else. Anyone who plays in a band or with an accompanist surely would want to know what was happening in a tune like the one described by Quentin in the original post. I would, anyway.

Two row semitone boxes are quite limited on RH chords anyway.

I'm not sure I'd agree with this. On my two-row C#/D there isn't a chord in the chromatic scale, major or minor, for which you can't sound at least two of the notes in the triad. I don't think D/G players can make that claim.

Full major chords of B, C, C#, D, Eb, and F# are available.
Full minor chords of C, D, Eb, E and F# also.

Admittedly, were they available, full chords of G major and minor and A major and minor would get more use than Eb major and minor or C# major, but that's life with a semitone box, and you can do quite a lot with two-note chords. I use them a lot.

For the r-h chords available on a B/C, move all the above choices down a tone.
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