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Author Topic: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's  (Read 4286 times)

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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2019, 11:53:50 PM »

Here's an attempt at playing it a bit slower than i normally would.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYfML0afnBM

The more I listen to that the more I really like it, Clive.
Is that in C on a GC with the usual basses?
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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2019, 08:47:58 AM »

Here's an attempt at playing it a bit slower than i normally would.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYfML0afnBM

The more I listen to that the more I really like it, Clive.
Is that in C on a GC with the usual basses?

Thanks - no, it's in G on a D/G. I have tricked out unisonoric basses on it though, which means I can do all manner of droney things that are normally impossible.

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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2019, 08:55:12 AM »



... it's in G on a D/G. I have tricked out unisonoric basses on it though, which means I can do all manner of droney things that are normally impossible.

Seems like the magic works. Sounds great.
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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2019, 10:47:14 AM »


Well done for finding a fourth part..... Mitch.

Thanks.  I did also consider this polka version -
https://tunearch.org/w/index.php?title=File:Paddycarey.jpg&filetimestamp=20150619021429&

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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2019, 10:44:02 PM »

Here's another bash. With some variants added at the end. A bit tighter, but a bit stiffer.
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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2019, 11:00:37 PM »



Thanks.  I did also consider this polka version -
https://tunearch.org/w/index.php?title=File:Paddycarey.jpg&filetimestamp=20150619021429&

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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2019, 10:22:10 AM »

Here's another bash. With some variants added at the end. A bit tighter, but a bit stiffer.
Interesting variations - looking forward to your final version.
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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2019, 02:26:13 PM »

Here are my interpretations. Plural because I've recorded it two times.

Once with my C/F Hohner Viktoria Club:
https://soundcloud.com/laubblaeser/paddy-careys-take-1

And once with my trusty D/G Loffet Graet e Breizh:
https://soundcloud.com/laubblaeser/paddy-careys-take-2

Both times playing on the inner row of those instruments.

Lovely tune but definitely out of my comfort zone - I've barely played any irish tunes before and thus have no idea what to do with my left hand. :D
Feedback appreciated as always. Which one did you like better? The tremolo of ye olde Hohner or rather the dry sound of the 440hz Loffet?
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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2019, 03:33:55 PM »

Lovely tune but definitely out of my comfort zone - I've barely played any irish tunes before and thus have no idea what to do with my left hand. :D

Irish jigs are tricky - tricky that is if you want to make them sound Irish, which of course may not be your primary consideration. But if you do want to make this tune sound Irish, you will have to pay attention to the internal rhythm of the groups of three quavers within the 6/8 bar.

Your three notes are all squashed up at the start of the beat - sort of ba-da-dum [pause] ba-da-dum. You need to stretch them out to fill the beat and ideally make them uneven, with the middle note either being the shortest of the three or getting the least emphasis and volume. No need to emphasise the first note of the three unduly, by the way, in fact that is another mistake that people often make.

When you get it right your three notes will sound like diddle-dee diddle-dee (with no pause in the middle).

This is tricky. I have spent many years teaching Irish music to people who didn't grow up with it (on fiddle, whistle, and box) and this one of the hardest things to get across. The first requirement is to be able to hear what is meant, to hear how it is done.

As I said, you may not be concerned about making this tune Irish, of course, in which case you can happily ignore the above.   (:)

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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2019, 03:44:55 PM »

Lots of interesting stuff to consider right there, Stiamh. Thanks for taking the time to explain it roughly. Do you happen to have a recording of Paddy Carey's which you would consider appropriate in terms of rhythm?
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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2019, 04:28:51 PM »

Lots of interesting stuff to consider right there, Stiamh. Thanks for taking the time to explain it roughly. Do you happen to have a recording of Paddy Carey's which you would consider appropriate in terms of rhythm?

Feeling I might have opened a bit of a can of worms here.... I'll get back to you in a few hours with some thoughts and I hope some examples.
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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2019, 06:07:25 PM »

Fred, this is close to the polka version that someone uploaded a link to (sheet music - a few posts above).
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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2019, 01:14:29 AM »

Feeling I might have opened a bit of a can of worms here.... I'll get back to you in a few hours with some thoughts and I hope some examples.

A good can of worms in all honesty, I've lately been going to an Irish session around here, and your post makes a lot of sense, so thanks!
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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2019, 02:38:20 PM »

Lots of interesting stuff to consider right there, Stiamh. Thanks for taking the time to explain it roughly. Do you happen to have a recording of Paddy Carey's which you would consider appropriate in terms of rhythm?

Feeling I might have opened a bit of a can of worms here.... I'll get back to you in a few hours with some thoughts and I hope some examples.

I think Andy Cutting plays the tune nicely in the clip that Clive posted at the top of this thread. He makes the three notes in a group stretch over the whole beat (not falling into the trap of "polka-izing" the rhythm by playing all the notes too short at the start of the beat). Most of the posters in the thread play it like a jig, though in a very vigorous fashion with the oom-pah bass pattern that makes the tune sound more English than anything.

If you really wanted to Irish-ify your jig playing I think it would be a good idea to start by eschewing a constant bass and really concentrating on the internal rhythm of the groups of three notes. But in any old jig, whether English, Scottish or Irish (no harm in treating Paddy Carey as an English or not particularly Irish piece), you want to avoid scrunching up the notes as I tried to say in my first comment.
 
I don't want to hijack the thread (or put anyone else off posting) so let's leave it there. If more detail or discussion is wanted, we could do it via pm or start a new topic in teaching in learning maybe for everyone to contribute their ideas.
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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2019, 07:07:09 PM »

I learnt this tune rather too long ago to be able to play it well - that is, I learnt it in my early days of playing and never really revisited and re-learnt it properly. I'll try to do that over the next couple of days. In the meantime, on the subject of the tune's origin, I shall just leave this here:

Paddy Carey's Fortune
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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2019, 07:20:17 PM »

A "nate" find, Helena! but what a ghastly piece of shamroguery...
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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2019, 07:38:40 PM »

A "nate" find, Helena! but what a ghastly piece of shamroguery...

Ah well, I guess the tunes don't mind eh? Still, I always like to know where a tune comes from if at all possible... call me a pedant, 'cos I am  :|||:
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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2019, 08:00:38 PM »

on the subject of the tune's origin, I shall just leave this here:

Paddy Carey's Fortune

I'm glad you did that, it saved me from entering the fray.

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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2019, 12:39:16 AM »

This is as far as mine will get this month.
Warning, it's a little more garbage than usual =)

https://youtu.be/UCXiuGxSr48

But I did put some work into polishing Lounge Bar, and it's coming out really nice. So no regrets, really.
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Re: Tune of the Month for February 2019: Paddy Carey's
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2019, 02:00:46 AM »

This is as far as mine will get this month.
Warning, it's a little more garbage than usual =)

https://youtu.be/UCXiuGxSr48

But I did put some work into polishing Lounge Bar, and it's coming out really nice. So no regrets, really.

Awesome attempt! I think you nailed down the B part pretty well but have to put in some more work to get the transitions between the parts right. Keep going, you still got a few more days to record it again! :D
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