Melodeon.net Forums

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Welcome to the new melodeon.net forum

Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Down

Author Topic: Smiling  (Read 3039 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Pazza

  • Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18
Smiling
« on: February 10, 2019, 09:05:48 PM »

Hello I’m a beginner,  and after watching some TOTM And various other video clips could someone tell me if ithe player is allowed to smile when playing? Thanks
Logged
Dino Baffetti DG

arty

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1140
Re: Smiling
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2019, 09:16:30 PM »

Smile?.....not something I would recommend but then, a smile is just a grimace like all the other facial expressions you find on here. So, why not?
Some, (that's me), prefer to cut their heads off when filming as they don't want to scare anyone.  :-[
Logged
Pre-Pokerwork C/F, Castagnari Laura G/C, Beltuna Sara 3 A/D

malcolmbebb

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2509
  • In dampest Dorset, on the soggy south coast.
Re: Smiling
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2019, 09:25:06 PM »

You seem to be encountering what is known as Melodeon Face - a loss of control of the facial muscles while concentrating on the tune. Especially on camera.

Smiling is indeed permitted, for those capable, but remains optional.
Logged
Dino BPII.
"Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire."

george garside

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4826
Re: Smiling
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2019, 09:46:41 PM »

I find that it is best to keep the mouth shut  in order to prevent the onset of 'breathing with the box'  i.e less than silently making sucking and blowing noises in unison with the bellows. It also makes it difficult to put on a genuine smile at the same time

george
Logged
author of DG tutor book "DG Melodeon a Crash Course for Beginners".    Available on ebay as a 'buy now' item. Put in melodeon tutor book for full info.  Melodeon DG & BC and piano accordion tuition

Pazza

  • Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18
Re: Smiling
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2019, 10:04:00 PM »

I also suffer from breathing  with the box I blame years of playing blues harp.
Logged
Dino Baffetti DG

Fred

  • Respected Sage
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 458
  • Loffet Graet e Breizh D/G and various Hohners
Re: Smiling
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2019, 10:19:12 PM »

Yes we are indeed allowed to smile and a few of us even do it on camera.
One of my favourite examples is John Spiers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7_GWq78gnE

Watch at 2:10 and admire that smirk. And the relief smile at the end of the video is also worth a medal. (:)
Logged

Anahata

  • This mind intentionally left blank
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4946
  • Oakwood D/G, C/F Club, 1-rows in C,D,G
    • Treewind Music
Re: Smiling
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2019, 10:21:20 PM »

I am convinced that some professional accordionists (especially noticeable with PA and Steirische Harmonika players) are trained to smile while they are playing, and the result is a forced grin that is no more appealing than natural melodeon face.

I also suffer from breathing  with the box I blame years of playing blues harp.
I used to get that too, without any blues harp background to blame it on.
Logged
I'm a melodeon player. What's your excuse?
Music recording and web hosting: www.treewind.co.uk
Mary Humphreys and Anahata: www.maryanahata.co.uk
Ceilidh bands: www.fourhandband.co.uk www.barleycoteband.co.uk

Fred

  • Respected Sage
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 458
  • Loffet Graet e Breizh D/G and various Hohners
Re: Smiling
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2019, 10:24:45 PM »

I am convinced that some professional accordionists (especially noticeable with PA and Steirische Harmonika players) are trained to smile while they are playing, and the result is a forced grin that is no more appealing than natural melodeon face.

Absolutely agreed!
Logged

Tone Dumb Greg

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2221
  • DG Pokerwork, DG 2.4 Saltarelle, CF Hohner, 1040C
    • Dartmoor Border Morris
Re: Smiling
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2019, 10:25:45 PM »

To busy thinking to worry about smiling, save that for playing tunes embedded in my subconscious mind but the breathing thing you describe is just something that can happen. If it does, it may be something you are stuck with, though people say they have fought it and won. Worst comes to the worst, plan your bellows use to match your lungs. At least you won't faint. 
Logged
Greg Smith
Is not the space between Heaven and Earth like a bellows?
It is empty, but lacks nothing.
The more it moves, the more comes out of it.
Lao Tzu

Scotty Gring

  • Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 37
  • Try putting a piano in a gig bag.
Re: Smiling
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2019, 01:30:48 AM »

Of all things to jump in and make my first post.  My son and daughter make more fun of me for the facial expressions I make than the awful noise I produce while playing.  And then there's the dreaded drool.  Don't know why playing makes me start to drool.  I'll need to get a head strap and a tin up to hang from my chin or I'll surely damage my box.  I wish I could just smile.
Logged
Proving each day that, just like golf, merely possessing the equipment
in no way guarantees you have any idea what the hell you're doing.      ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hohner 1040C, 1040G, 2815G/C (pre-Pokerwork), A/D Corso, B/E Grand Prix 2-Row. Titano Titan Piano Accordian.

Tone Dumb Greg

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2221
  • DG Pokerwork, DG 2.4 Saltarelle, CF Hohner, 1040C
    • Dartmoor Border Morris
Re: Smiling
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2019, 08:53:22 AM »

Hello and welcome Scotty.
The noises can only get better but the the grimaces and the drool are yours for life.
Good luck.
Logged
Greg Smith
Is not the space between Heaven and Earth like a bellows?
It is empty, but lacks nothing.
The more it moves, the more comes out of it.
Lao Tzu

Lester

  • MADman
  • Mods and volunteers
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7950
  • Hohners'R'me
    • Lester's Melodeon Emporium and Tune-a-Rama
Re: Smiling
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2019, 08:59:58 AM »

You can find >500 videos of me HERE and in not one of them do I do anything that could be described as a smile.

Winston Smith

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2088
  • AKA Edward Jennings
    • "Our Luxor B&B" Luxor life, slice by slice.
Re: Smiling
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2019, 09:05:01 AM »

But is that not just because you're such a serious "Melodeon Man", Mr Bailey?
Logged
Although I can carry on messing with melodeons, the ongoing attention of the Ministry of Truth and the Thought Police will (no doubt) eventually teach me to really love Big Brother!

Lester

  • MADman
  • Mods and volunteers
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7950
  • Hohners'R'me
    • Lester's Melodeon Emporium and Tune-a-Rama
Re: Smiling
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2019, 09:19:15 AM »


But is that not just because you're such a serious "Melodeon Man", Mr Bailey?


Nope, it's because of science and maths:

Amount of available brain power required to play treble end - 65%
Amount of available brain power requiredto play bass end - 15%
Amount of available brain power requiredto keep breathing and not fall off chair  - 15%
Total 95%

Amount of available brain power requiredto smile whilst doing the above - 10%
Total 105%

Thus if I smile something has to give, either playing, breathing or staying sat upright.

See that, that's science that is (:)

Ellison

  • Respected Sage
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 348
    • A few tunes here:
Re: Smiling
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2019, 09:55:45 AM »

I usually force a grin when I've made a fluff or hit a bum note to denote "Ah well, that's life, all part of life's rich tapestry". But inside I'm actually dying and will reply the moment in my troubled dreams for years to come.
Logged

Chris Peacock

  • New Starter
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1
Re: Smiling
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2019, 01:25:12 PM »

Here’s my first post also. I hope to get a melodeon soon, but writing as one who plays the Northumbrian small pipes, I cannot even tap my foot to the music - let alone smile (without looking like I’m leering☹️). Maybe I should make smiling part of my practicing when I get my melodeon? Maybe someone could make an instructional video on how to smile, and upload it to YouTube lol.
Logged

Clive Williams

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2897
    • Home Page
Re: Smiling
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2019, 01:36:59 PM »

Can't smile to save my life, to be honest. I do agree with Anahata et al though; many accordion players have grins that I find distinctly offputting - I think it's a similar psychological effect to clowns, where the face is "right, but not quite right", and apparently humans are evolution-conditioned to run away from things are not quite right.

Fred

  • Respected Sage
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 458
  • Loffet Graet e Breizh D/G and various Hohners
Re: Smiling
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2019, 02:31:47 PM »

humans are evolution-conditioned to run away from things are not quite right.

Might that be the reason why PAs are so awful while BAs are so awesome? :thinking:
Logged

Clive Williams

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2897
    • Home Page
Re: Smiling
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2019, 02:40:00 PM »

humans are evolution-conditioned to run away from things are not quite right.

Might that be the reason why PAs are so awful while BAs are so awesome? :thinking:

Indeed. It's a piano, but it's not quite a piano. Run away! :-)

Dick Sadler

  • Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 26
Re: Smiling
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2019, 03:49:31 PM »

As a new new player I cannot believe that Lester only attributes 15% of brain power to his left hand! At the present time it’s about 80%, right hand 20% as I am still forgetting to breathe. And...when I do it’s in time with the bellows😀.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Up
 


Melodeon.net - (c) Theo Gibb; Clive Williams 2010. The access and use of this website and forum featuring these terms and conditions constitutes your acceptance of these terms and conditions.