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Pete Dunk

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Grind Hans Jasspodspolska
« on: January 19, 2019, 12:20:17 PM »

I found an abc file somewhere on the web for Grind Hans Jasspodspolska (CEG) some time ago but it was fairly unsatisfactory to my ear so I pushed it to one side and forgot about it. I dragged it out again this morning because I wanted to have another go at the tune and set to tweaking it here and there and it's now a lot better than it was (I think). I would be grateful for comments and/or suggestions about the general accuracy of the tune as a whole and thoughts about the chords indicated.

X:1
T:Grind Hans Jasspodspolska
T:CEG
M:9/8
L:1/8
R:slip jig
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%%subtitlefont Helvetica,16
%%composerfont Helvetica
%%partsfont Arial, 20
%%partsbox
%%gchordfont Arial, 16
%%barnumbers 1
%%MIDI program 73 % flute
%%MIDI chordprog 1 % piano
%%MIDI gchord fzczzz
V:1 gchord=down
V:2
Q:3/8=100
K:Gmaj
V:1
|:"G"D3 G3 "Bm"A2 B |"C" c2 B2 G2 E3- |"Am" E2 c-c2 B A2 G |"D7" FGA-A F2 HD3|
"G"D3 G3 "Bm"A2 B |"C" c2 B2 G2 E3- |"Am" E2 c-c2 B A2 G |"D" FEF "G"G6:|
|:"G" G2 B d2 c "Bm"B2 A |"C"G c e3 d c2 B |"Am" A2 B (4cdcA B2 G |"D7" FGA-A F2 HD3|
"Bm"G2 B d2 c B2 A |"C"G c e3 d c2 B |"Am" A2 B (4cdcA B2 G |"D" FEF "G"G6:|
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Re: Grind Hans Jasspodspolska
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2019, 02:24:33 PM »

Pete...

The challenge in notation for polska from this village and others with an asymmetric pulse is that the 3 nominal beats are traditionally of unequal length.  The dance step requires it have "tempo dynamics" as well as volume dynamics.  Using 9/8 gets you closer and your notation does as well as can be done, but it's sort of like trying to reach zero by constantly dividing by 2...you never quiiite get there.

In Boda polskor such as this, the dancers spend a tad less time on the first beat, slide into a slightly elongated, "floating" second beat and on to the third.  The second beat may also receive a dynamic boost from the fiddle bow to accentuate the pulse.  This is fiddle music long predating our beloved boxes.

It also occurs to me that on the melodeon or accordion, mimicking the proper "drive" of the piece requires a subtly different relationship between the right and left hands to capture what is happening on the fiddle with the left and right hands.  Note the reversed roles of the hands in this analogy.

Otherwise it's pretty much spot on as far as I can tell as a "dot reader".  Perhaps Stockaryd will chime in with a take from a real Swede. 
« Last Edit: January 21, 2019, 11:46:40 PM by Dick Rees »
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Re: Grind Hans Jasspodspolska
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2019, 03:41:14 PM »

I feel proud and flattered.
but, no  . . .I can't dance, I can't play melodeon. And I can't read the dots. I try to learn. I can only ask questions.


In my  (melodeon) group there is a man who has played folk music on violin for more than 70 years. He started before 10 and is now over eighty years old. I'll consult him. . . and hope that I understand what he means and then translate it into English.
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Re: Grind Hans Jasspodspolska
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2019, 10:15:02 PM »

Dick Rees.

My friend says you are absolutely right.
"Polskor" should be played that way.  But only by musicians from that area. 

Folk music in sweden is played with different dialects.

I do not know if this also applies to button boxes.

The name of the melody is also dialect.

"Grind Hans Jasspodspolska" can be translated into Swedish
"Grind Hans G√§stabudsPolska"  and then translated  to
" FenceGate  Hans  (rural) Banquet Polska"

And I learned a lot.   (:)
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Re: Grind Hans Jasspodspolska
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2019, 11:49:50 PM »

Dick Rees.

My friend says you are absolutely right.
"Polskor" should be played that way.  But only by musicians from that area. 

Folk music in sweden is played with different dialects.

I do not know if this also applies to button boxes.

The name of the melody is also dialect.

"Grind Hans Jasspodspolska" can be translated into Swedish
"Grind Hans G√§stabudsPolska"  and then translated  to
" FenceGate  Hans  (rural) Banquet Polska"

And I learned a lot.   (:)

Me proud and flattered too.  I'm not ALWAYS right, but when I am it's nice to get it in writing.  I may print that out, frame it and hang it on the wall...
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Re: Grind Hans Jasspodspolska
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2019, 11:45:34 AM »

Pete, I too had a go at it a long while back and was never quite happy with the tune so it's quietly fallen from my playing.
I've just printed off your abc file and spent a lovely time playing it. I think it sounds pretty damn good.
Well done that man  ;)
Thank you for reminding me what a lovely tune this is.
cheers
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I think I'm starting to get most of the notes in roughly the right order...... sometimes!

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Re: Grind Hans Jasspodspolska
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2019, 06:10:52 PM »

Many thanks for the info from Dick and Stockaryd, it sounds like I am as close as I am likely to get without an extended trip to Sweden. Glad you like it Q.
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Re: Grind Hans Jasspodspolska
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2019, 10:03:45 PM »

Many thanks for the info from Dick and Stockaryd, it sounds like I am as close as I am likely to get without an extended trip to Sweden. Glad you like it Q.

Pete...

You certainly picked one of the more esoteric village styles with this tune, but I suspect that's exactly the attraction.  In any notation of this class of tune, reference to recorded examples of local musicians should be provided.  Aurally informed effort is pretty much necessary...as it should be.

In writing out the dots, much can be gained by using grace notes along with a textual explanation regarding the assymetric rhythmic pulse.  I don't know if ABC has that capability.  Either way, going to an original source recording is highly recommended. 

Have fun.  I've been at this since being bitten by the polska bug back in '78.
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