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Jens

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substitute for #f, a beginners question
« on: April 03, 2019, 09:19:17 PM »

Dear forum members,
I´m quite new here, owning a Hohner 1040 in C, it´s freshly overhauled and sounds good. Only the bellows feels a bit stiff. I don´t have much background concerning music theorie.
I try to play "Lorelei" (Silcher), wich contains one #f note. Does a reasonable compromise exist to play this piece of music with a single row in C?
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 Jens (Lower Saxony)
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Re: substitute for #f, a beginners question
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2019, 09:22:15 PM »

This may help with the stiff bellows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iigObdMdK6I

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Re: substitute for #f, a beginners question
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2019, 09:26:44 PM »

As it's about German music, I reckon you'd want a C/F accordion to play it. These are the most used keys in traditional german music. Another key pair that occurs relatively often is G/C.

You would most likely need at least a 2 row accordion with accidentals, for example in C/F.
Have a look at the following diagram: http://forum.melodeon.net/files/site/keyboards/2%20Row%20-%20C_F%20-%20with%20accidentals.jpg

(Sidenote: Of course bigger instruments, like a 2.5 row Hohner Club or similar, could do the same job. You don't necessarily have to get a 2 row but it's the minimum as you'll then get the accidental F# you desire.)
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Re: substitute for #f, a beginners question
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2019, 09:31:37 PM »

This definitely wont help with the missing note on a one row (in this case a Cnat on a D box)   (:)

 https://youtu.be/L2NutO2HJyg

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Re: substitute for #f, a beginners question
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2019, 09:51:36 PM »

 ;D I've done that trick in a real recording studio for a commercial CD (A Brisk Young Widow in Jack Crawford's Pride of The Season). Nobody's noticed yet...
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Re: substitute for #f, a beginners question
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2019, 09:52:30 PM »

I'm not familiar with the song, but looking at the sheet music I would say your best option is to just stay on the G. If you are singing along you could just sing the proper note and drop out momentarily on the accordion.

Your other option is to play the F natural instead. In some tunes that can work fine, especially in a faster section where you're not dwelling on the note at all.
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Re: substitute for #f, a beginners question
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2019, 10:02:19 PM »

If you're singing as well as playing you can simply use the D below, the A above or some combination/sequence of those two to cover while you sing the F# note.  There are a couple of other tricks, but I'd just sing it and use one of the two other notes of the D triad and keep going.
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Re: substitute for #f, a beginners question
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2019, 10:18:40 PM »

Thank you all. To my ear an A sounds best in this case.
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Re: substitute for #f, a beginners question
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2019, 10:25:04 PM »

Or you could re-state the melody like this, substituting a mirror image of the f# e f# with a b a:
« Last Edit: April 03, 2019, 10:26:40 PM by Dick Rees »
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Re: substitute for #f, a beginners question
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2019, 11:52:21 PM »

I also am a recent beginner, playing a Hohner 1040. I suggest playing D as a substitute for F#.

The interval of a 3rd is 4 semitones. D is 4 semitones below F#, so if you were playing with someone else who could play the F# your note would harmonise with theirs.

My Hohner 1040 is in G, so when I play a tune in D, if there is a C# I don't have it. From C# dropping 4 semitones takes me to A which  harmonises with it. 

Good luck!

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« Last Edit: April 04, 2019, 12:49:34 AM by Peadar »
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Re: substitute for #f, a beginners question
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2019, 12:56:23 AM »

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If you're singing as well as playing you can simply use the D below, the A above or some combination/sequence of those two to cover while you sing the F# note.  There are a couple of other tricks, but I'd just sing it and use one of the two other notes of the D triad and keep going.

More sophisticated than my present approach!
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