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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #60 on: May 28, 2019, 03:42:23 PM »

Dmix would be one sharp, the Cs aren't accidental naturals so the tune has 2 sharps. Better just to use K:D
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #61 on: May 28, 2019, 06:13:30 PM »

aaargh. When I looked at it I didn't spot the second sharp. Say no more.
What about the Da Capo?
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #62 on: May 28, 2019, 06:26:18 PM »

It is what it is, go back to the beginning, I don't know what you mean by the end point, no mention of al fine. Play ad infinitum and finish at the end of the B, at least that's the way I understand it, I could well be wrong of course, no doubt Chris will advise if he spots this. Right, I'm off to do the last three tunes of my batch.
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #63 on: May 28, 2019, 06:57:43 PM »

On the subect of keys, what key would you use for this? I have put it in Dmix, but I'm open to correction.
Also, Is it a good idea to mark the end point of the Da Capo with a fine or a fermata?
The key is Dmaj. Mark it with !fine!

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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #64 on: May 28, 2019, 06:58:45 PM »

It is what it is, go back to the beginning, I don't know what you mean by the end point, no mention of al fine. Play ad infinitum and finish at the end of the B, at least that's the way I understand it, I could well be wrong of course, no doubt Chris will advise if he spots this. Right, I'm off to do the last three tunes of my batch.
I would interpret that as
Play A (4 bars)
Repeat A (4 bars)
Play B (4 bars)
Go back to the beginning (capo) and play A (4 bars)
Total 16 bars.
They don't often mark !fine! but when they do they use the symbol that we now use for fermata. To avoid confusion we use the modern !fine!
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #65 on: May 28, 2019, 07:37:52 PM »

My turn to miss something. I saw the opening repeat of the B but didn't register the lack of a closing repeat mark, sorry Greg!

I must watch out for that one.  ::)
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #66 on: May 28, 2019, 08:11:48 PM »

It is what it is, go back to the beginning, I don't know what you mean by the end point, no mention of al fine. Play ad infinitum and finish at the end of the B, at least that's the way I understand it, I could well be wrong of course, no doubt Chris will advise if he spots this. Right, I'm off to do the last three tunes of my batch.
I would interpret that as
Play A (4 bars)
Repeat A (4 bars)
Play B (4 bars)
Go back to the beginning (capo) and play A (4 bars)
Total 16 bars.
They don't often mark !fine! but when they do they use the symbol that we now use for fermata. To avoid confusion we use the modern !fine!

Cheers Chris. That's how I read it.
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #67 on: May 29, 2019, 06:02:56 AM »

Not directly relevant, but in a context where a 19th-century MS is being transcribed, some folks
might find the following of general interest:

Dellow, R. E., Who were the folk?, Folk Music Journal, Vol. 11, No. 4, pp6-31, 2019.

The paper is about the actual people (as opposed to the music) who were behind 3 (or is it 4?)
19th-century MSS.
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #68 on: May 30, 2019, 11:33:05 AM »

Any suggestions for the attached tune title? Boynun's Delight is my best guess.
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #69 on: May 30, 2019, 12:02:17 PM »

Any suggestions for the attached tune title? Boynun's Delight is my best guess.

Jan (my wife, and a language expert) agrees with 'Boynun's Delight'. She also suggests it is possibly a phonetic rendition of the Irish pronunciation of the name 'Beynon'.
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #70 on: May 30, 2019, 12:17:15 PM »

Nope. And we're told that handwriting standards are slipping.
I think it's Boynun, and what therefore you have to put, though you may wish to comment on its illegibilty.
I would agree that it may have been Beynon ( a Welsh name) , but since there is no reference online that I can find to a "Beynon's Delight", then it's not relevant.
Boynun - a Turkish name, and Turkey was often in the news, but improbable
or could it be a character from Gulliver's Travels? - a long shot.

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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #71 on: May 30, 2019, 03:16:04 PM »

I am finding a lot of 18 century ballads/broadsides in my selection and searching for the names is taking me to productions at Drury Lane and old song books. Crossing through the leading actors and actresses of the early mid C18 and plenty of military and naval bravado. Perhaps my favourite title is "Let Us All Be Unhappy Together" I believe this is Charles Dibdin. Another good one "Tho' late I was plump" which is another song from a play based on a Irish slip jig Moll Roe.  Lots of phonetic spelling as well - Balina Mona = Ballinamona = Ballimona another Irish tune. I am also noting that adding in one or two additional minor words is directing me to tunes when searching for similar ones. But I haven't found them all.
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #72 on: May 31, 2019, 12:57:25 PM »

K:Bb
M:6/8
L:1/8
B/c/|dBG FED | Cccc2B/c/ | dBG FDF | (G/A/B)BB2:|

I know the tune from somthing I have probably sung but cannot put my finger on what.  It is in Roose under 'Since Love is the Plan' (C18 song) I keep finding myself wanting to sing something like "stories/glories of old" at the end of the extract.  Any suggestions?
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #73 on: May 31, 2019, 02:35:32 PM »

I have solved my puzzle - Its a hymn - "When a knight won his spurs in the stories of old" to the tune "Stowey" "an old english melody"
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #74 on: June 02, 2019, 03:02:29 PM »

I have very clearly written 'Pia' underneath the first bar of the C music of my tune.
Trying to google it but throws up all sorts of odd answers, pia mater = 'tender' being the most likely.
Do I write 'pia' under the stave, 'NB' it??
Thoughts please!
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on the 5th tune named 'something' Races.
Was he a keen follower I wonder?
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #75 on: June 02, 2019, 05:36:41 PM »

I have a spreadsheet listing tunes from various printed sources with over 8600 entries listed. I can find the following tunes for 'Races'

Blaydon
Hexham
Camptown
Kilkenny
Mullingar
Newmarket
Blanchland
Thropton
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #76 on: June 02, 2019, 06:11:49 PM »

You're missing Bedford Races (in John Clare MS)
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #77 on: June 02, 2019, 07:59:16 PM »

Yes, all this racing info is good, but what about my 'Pia'?
Currently notated as "Pia" above the offending bar!
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currently just notated 7 races!!!!
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #78 on: June 02, 2019, 08:17:45 PM »

Yes, all this racing info is good, but what about my 'Pia'?
Currently notated as "Pia" above the offending bar!
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currently just notated 7 races!!!!

How about a picture?
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Re: The VMP Roose MS Project
« Reply #79 on: June 02, 2019, 08:28:31 PM »

Yep ok.
Will get onto it drekly!
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