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[Steve_freereeder]

Are these squiggles below the stave trills?
The first one I read as a '3' for a triplet, but then changed my mind after encountering the second.
I presume a trill?
Q

I think they are 'prall' trill* symbols. Basically the same as a mordent (a single shake to the note above and then back to the main note) but the downward squiggle at the end is probably indicating that it is an inverted mordent, so a single shake to the note below and then back to the main note.
In ABC the coding is !lowermordent!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordent

*Pralltriller - German for 'bounce trill'

[Thrupenny Bit]

Thanks Steve, I will notate as you suggest.
Many thanks
Q

[Pete Dunk]

I suppose it had to happen sooner or later, it always does for me. I've been skipping along transcribing crystal clear 16 and 24 bar tunes and my worst problem has been working out a few titles written in the spidery script reserved for doctors writing presciptions. Then, out of the blue, musical hell breaks loose. I go from three or four tunes per page to a single piece that fills two pages. After the first few bars it resorts to 16 semiquavers to the bar, after another 20 bars of that it switches to flute music  based around e' on the third leger line above the staff, ad infintum.

Bah! Poo! Humbug! and lots of similar noises, I'm not a fan of these marathon transcriptions of stuff nobody is ever going to play! I had one a while back that even ChrisP baulked at checking and just decided to accept the transciption as it was about four times longer than the piece I'm moaning about here. 

[Tone Dumb Greg]

I suppose it had to happen sooner or later, it always does for me. I've been skipping along transcribing crystal clear 16 and 24 bar tunes and my worst problem has been working out a few titles written in the spidery script reserved for doctors writing presciptions. Then, out of the blue, musical hell breaks loose. I go from three or four tunes per page to a single piece that fills two pages. After the first few bars it resorts to 16 semiquavers to the bar, after another 20 bars of that it switches to flute music  based around e' on the third leger line above the staff, ad infintum.

Bah! Poo! Humbug! and lots of similar noises, I'm not a fan of these marathon transcriptions of stuff nobody is ever going to play! I had one a while back that even ChrisP baulked at checking and just decided to accept the transciption as it was about four times longer than the piece I'm moaning about here. 

You want to swop it for a bunch of quadrilles?

[playandteach]

I suppose it had to happen sooner or later, it always does for me. I've been skipping along transcribing crystal clear 16 and 24 bar tunes and my worst problem has been working out a few titles written in the spidery script reserved for doctors writing presciptions. Then, out of the blue, musical hell breaks loose. I go from three or four tunes per page to a single piece that fills two pages. After the first few bars it resorts to 16 semiquavers to the bar, after another 20 bars of that it switches to flute music  based around e' on the third leger line above the staff, ad infintum.

Can you export abc from Sibelius files? I am happy to type this long one up into Sibelius. Just let me know.

[Pete Dunk]

I don't have Sibelius and I am limited to abc only. This isn't usually a problem, to be honest it's not a problem now, just a PITA.

My wife has/uses Sibelius constantly. Our bickering on the subject is a cause of constant amusement. 

[Pete Dunk]

You want to swop it for a bunch of quadrilles?

Erm no ta, B*gger off!

[Tone Dumb Greg]

I am finding this manuscript easier to work on (apart from many of the titles) than Buttrey, though less challenging seems to mean less interesting. However, it would still be nice to view it in its entirety at some point. Is this on the agenda?

[Pete Dunk]

I've no idea Greg. We are at the mercy of the new owner of the manuscript who seems to be massively ammenable to making the whole thing public and is content to simply own the original. I can't fault that!

[smiley]

I go from three or four tunes per page to a single piece that fills two pages. After the first few bars it resorts to 16 semiquavers to the bar, after another 20 bars of that it switches to flute music  based around e' on the third leger line above the staff, ad infintum.

I've found similar examples of virtuoso passages written in a couple of MSS by early C19th rural fiddlers in Ireland and was astonished by their apparent technical expertise when playing in higher positions and the fiendishly quick runs of notes in some parts.  Spoils the stereotype of the "hack village fiddler" I've read about in writings by some contemporary observers from those times.

[Rob Lands]

Sibelius - ABC.  I've not manged to find a way to transfer properly. Saving a midi file brings it over but not cleanly for a simply line tune. I haven't tried multiple voices.

[ChrisP]

I am finding this manuscript easier to work on (apart from many of the titles) than Buttrey, though less challenging seems to mean less interesting. However, it would still be nice to view it in its entirety at some point. Is this on the agenda?

Do you mean as images of the original? What the owner does with the images is up to him, and I'll have a chat when we're done, but for my part I should point out that these compressed b/w PDFs altogether come to 240Mb, compared with the total capacity of my website, which hosts ALL the other VMP stuff, of 250Mb.
PDFs of the transcriptions, and of the total progress so far, are on my website.
The transcribing is proceeding apace, with fewer than 200 tunes still to allocate. I have a backlog of checking to do....

[Tone Dumb Greg]

I am finding this manuscript easier to work on (apart from many of the titles) than Buttrey, though less challenging seems to mean less interesting. However, it would still be nice to view it in its entirety at some point. Is this on the agenda?

Do you mean as images of the original? What the owner does with the images is up to him, and I'll have a chat when we're done, but for my part I should point out that these compressed b/w PDFs altogether come to 240Mb, compared with the total capacity of my website, which hosts ALL the other VMP stuff, of 250Mb.
PDFs of the transcriptions, and of the total progress so far, are on my website.
The transcribing is proceeding apace, with fewer than 200 tunes still to allocate. I have a backlog of checking to do....

I meant ABC/PDF transcriptions, this time, thanks, Chris.

[Roger Hare]

Please see the attached image of Roose 559.

Are the twiddles above and below the triplets in bars 4 & 12 the prall trills referred to a few posts back?
I can't quite decide...

Ta.

Roger

[Tone Dumb Greg]

Please see the attached image of Roose 559.

Are the twiddles above and below the triplets in bars 4 & 12 the prall trills referred to a few posts back?
I can't quite decide...

Ta.

Roger

The notation below bar 4 looks like "Pia" which I believe is Piano (quiet) There looks to be a For (Forte, loud) a few bars later. The mark under bar 12 looks like a triplet. [unless you mean the 3's]

[Roger Hare]

The notation below bar 4 looks like "Pia" which I believe is Piano (quiet) There looks to be a For (Forte, loud) a few bars later. The mark under bar 12 looks like a triplet.

Yup. I was OK with the Pia and For, but I did wonderalso  about those twiddles being to
denote a triplet, though neither of them look (much) like a 3. I will proceed on that basis.

Ta.

[Rob Lands]

if they are not triplets you have too many beats in the bar.

[Tone Dumb Greg]

...neither of them look (much) like a 3. I will proceed on that basis.

Ta.

I saw very similar marks in the Buttery MS (when he bothered to put any in). I think that was just the way they liked to figure them, then.

[Roger Hare]

if they are not triplets you have too many beats in the bar.

Absolutely! First, I tried assuming they were not triplets, and making the preceding crotchet
into a quaver just to see (hear) what happened. I wasn't impressed - at least not favourably...

[Anahata]

Do you mean as images of the original? What the owner does with the images is up to him, and I'll have a chat when we're done, but for my part I should point out that these compressed b/w PDFs altogether come to 240Mb, compared with the total capacity of my website, which hosts ALL the other VMP stuff, of 250Mb.

I am actually hosting the "official" VMP site at https://www.village-music-project.org.uk.
It's taking up about 750MB now. If It goes over 1GB, it will cost John Adams another £10 year.
I can arrange for large-volume data to be on cheaper storage though, with slightly slower access. I haven't worked out a customer price for it yet, because nobody's used it yet...

For now I'd be quite happy to host scans of the originals on that basis pro bono, if there's a demand for it. There's about 65GB of free space on that volume, not being used at the moment.