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Unknown Russian One Row Box
« on: May 30, 2019, 03:45:34 AM »

All the russian one row boxes I've seen in the past are the Saratov kind with the bells. The one I found in this video isn't a Saratov. Does anyone know what this variety is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Em9XAGfxM
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Re: Unknown Russian One Row Box
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2019, 09:18:23 AM »

All the russian one row boxes I've seen in the past are the Saratov kind with the bells. The one I found in this video isn't a Saratov. Does anyone know what this variety is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Em9XAGfxM
It is called a 'talyanka' (тальянка) or 'one-row' (однорядка) and is played in Tatarstan, Bashkortistan and neighbouring regions. The melody side is diatonic but has the same notes on push and pull.

Cp. also:

https://youtu.be/Qsgd4CiCrCc (with bells, but different from the Saratov harmonica)

https://youtu.be/buRuXwnHsdM (also with bells)

In a more modern style by the Yunussov-brothers:

https://youtu.be/8-x5JeJfasA

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Re: Unknown Russian One Row Box
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2019, 10:10:01 AM »

All the russian one row boxes I've seen in the past are the Saratov kind with the bells. The one I found in this video isn't a Saratov. Does anyone know what this variety is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Em9XAGfxM
It is called a 'talyanka' (тальянка) or 'one-row' (однорядка) and is played in Tatarstan, Bashkortistan and neighbouring regions. The melody side is diatonic but has the same notes on push and pull.

Cp. also:

https://youtu.be/Qsgd4CiCrCc (with bells, but different from the Saratov harmonica)

https://youtu.be/buRuXwnHsdM (also with bells)

In a more modern style by the Yunussov-brothers:

https://youtu.be/8-x5JeJfasA

This is excellent. I have wondered about these instruments for some time. I have somewhere a 1930s picture book showing one being played, but I never been able to find enough information to research in any depth. I will now have to get out my atlas and locate Tartarstan and Bashkortistan.

I particularly enjoyed the second clip. The poor lad looks worried out of his wits, from which I conclude that 'talyanka face' shares many similarities with our more familiar 'melodeon face' contortions.
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Re: Unknown Russian One Row Box
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2019, 10:50:36 AM »

Mike, I think I'd describe that as a "pained" expression.
My (unappreciative) wife was in the same room as I listened to it, and she said that it sounded like "that awful Irish dancing music!"
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Re: Unknown Russian One Row Box
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2019, 10:53:09 AM »







Is this the first known recording of Tartar/Cajun Crossover music !!!
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Re: Unknown Russian One Row Box
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2019, 11:31:02 AM »

I particularly enjoyed the second clip.
Yes, I too. It’s a pitty they canceled the destination coach from Berlin to Ufa. (I wouldn’t mind to hear some more buskers in that style. ;) )

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The poor lad looks worried out of his wits, from which I conclude that 'talyanka face' shares many similarities with our more familiar 'melodeon face' contortions.
;D There are some more smilarities. For instance the instruments he uses for trad tatar music are a one-row box and what some would identify as a penny whistle. (In tatar flavour, of course. ;) )

https://youtu.be/uBfj-4cI8FI

https://youtu.be/c7ItrSjVw14
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Re: Unknown Russian One Row Box
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2019, 11:51:48 AM »

this type of accordions used in traditional Caucasian music too, not sure if it is diatonic ???  they call it  '' Caucasian accordion''..smaller size box for ladies an larger one for gents.
       
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eJOmeFsGhE

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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2019, 12:30:11 PM »

Thank you, Invadm! Do you understand the language? It’s a shame they didn’t put subtitles in russian or another more widely understood language.  :-[

In the russian Wikipedia article there is a chapter on the Caucasus region:

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(Google translation): Caucasus
Komuz (Kumyk name argan, also “Asian” or “Eastern” harmonic [14]) is a single-row diatonic harmonic. It was brought to Dagestan in the 19th century by Russian soldiers. In the right-hand keyboard there are 21 oblong-shaped keys. The left keyboard has 12 buttons: in one vertical row there are bass buttons, in the other there are triad buttons [14]. It was distributed in the Dagestan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. Mass production began in the mid-1930s in the cities of Vladikavkaz (North Ossetia), Armavir (Krasnodar Territory), and Tbilisi (Georgia). Previously, only women played on the komuz, the instrument even entered into the dowry of brides, now men also play.

Pine - appeared in Adygea and Kabardino-Balkaria in the second half of the 19th century (at the same time as the komuz, it differed from it only by its limited accompaniment). Created on the basis of Vyatka harmonica. The right keyboard has 12, 16, or 18 keys that make up the gamut in natural major. On the left neck (external drum) there are 4 accompaniment valves [15]. It was serially manufactured at the factory in Nalchik (the capital of Kabardino-Balkaria) since 1935, which closed after World War II [13].
Ivan-Kandzal-fandyr - Ossetian harmonica, by design and structure similar to the commune or psina [14] [16].

Georgian accordion (dol-harmonium).

So it seems the right hand side is diatonic but with same notes on push and pull. Left hand side may be different.
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Re: Unknown Russian One Row Box
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2019, 12:53:00 PM »

unfortunately I don't understand the lingo,there are 13+ different dialect in the region and I can only partially understand 2 of them,but I know the box they play  ;) almost every one moved on the PA or PA look a like Garmon now days, this type of accordions are more of a nostalgia for older generation or people like me who try to keep the tradition alive..music/melody also changed since PA & garmon took over, there are more videos I'll post a link when I get a chance.         
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Re: Unknown Russian One Row Box
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2019, 03:38:36 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vApd2UmPIgE
a good competition  :|||: :||: :|||: :||:      left/bass side I think all 'drone' more than anything ales 
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Re: Unknown Russian One Row Box
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Re: Unknown Russian One Row Box
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2019, 02:18:28 PM »

All the russian one row boxes I've seen in the past are the Saratov kind with the bells. The one I found in this video isn't a Saratov. Does anyone know what this variety is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Em9XAGfxM

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Re: Unknown Russian One Row Box
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2019, 06:08:41 PM »

There are some more smilarities. For instance the instruments he uses for trad tatar music are a one-row box and what some would identify as a penny whistle. (In tatar flavour, of course. ;) )

https://youtu.be/uBfj-4cI8FI

https://youtu.be/c7ItrSjVw14

I think that’ll be a kopeck whistle.
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Re: Unknown Russian One Row Box
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2019, 11:12:41 PM »

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Thank you, Invadm! Do you understand the language? It’s a shame they didn’t put subtitles in russian or another more widely understood language.  :-[

It is a greater shame that some English speakers don't understand that language is the bedrock of culture and  that it is essential for the survival of minority languages that their community uses the internet to speak to each other WITHOUT translating into the "majority" language. That applies in Tartarstan ...it also applies  to the Gaeltacht /Gaidhealtachd of Ireland and Scotland.
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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2019, 08:29:35 AM »

It is a greater shame that some English speakers don't understand that language is the bedrock of culture and  that it is essential for the survival of minority languages that their community uses the internet to speak to each other WITHOUT translating into the "majority" language. That applies in Tartarstan ...it also applies  to the Gaeltacht /Gaidhealtachd of Ireland and Scotland.
I see no need "for the survival of minority languages". You see, our former state minister for integration Aydan Özoğuz declared that there is no detectable german culture. So, to use your words, the language is the bedrock of nothing.

Ale ja musym groniś, až som se kradu wjaselił, až ty sy mě gronił jenźelski powědaŕ. :M ;D
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