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NW morris tune ?
« on: June 15, 2019, 09:02:13 PM »

A well known,much played tune,but I've never caught it's title...2nd tune,starts at about 1 minute.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgWO1ieBBa0
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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2019, 09:22:34 PM »

Salmon Tails.

X:427
T:Salmon Tails Up the Water
M:4/4
L:1/8
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G2E2D2E2|G4G3A|B2d2A2BA|(G4G4):|
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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2019, 09:41:02 PM »

Thanks for that...I can't believe that I've never even seen or heard that name in many years of watching/listening to morris stuff  ???
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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2019, 06:21:18 PM »

Sidmouth Steppers have used this tune for ages. I thought it was as well known as Speed the Plough.
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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2019, 07:12:45 PM »

.... I thought it was as well known as Speed the Plough.

If not better.
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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2019, 09:53:19 PM »

Maybe because it’s a Scottish tune and hence not strictly an English Morris tune. But it’s a Polka so popular with NW sides.
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2019, 10:45:54 PM »

North West morris  is not fussy about its tunes being 'English'  . In my morris musician days I played  tunes with a good rhythm including many of Scottish origin  but also things like Madmoiselle from armentiers, rattling bog, in and out the windows,  runaway train, Kelly the boy from Killane etc etc etc.   Its not the origin/nationality of the tune that matters  but any tune that can be played with a good solid (appropriate) rhythm is fine  and ones that the punters can identify with is even better as they hang around longer and put more brass in the tin!

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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2019, 06:15:40 AM »

For one dance the Rumworth Morris have a set of four NW tunes - from the NW of Belgium, NW of Italy, NW of Spain, and NW of France.
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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2019, 07:15:54 AM »


Maybe because it’s a Scottish tune and hence not strictly an English Morris tune. But it’s a Polka so popular with NW sides.

A tune is 'strictly English morris' if it is used for English morris independent of its origin.

Eynsham March Past - Scottish
Princess Royal - possibly Irish
Theme Vanitese - French
Click Go the Shears - Australian
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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2019, 07:52:06 AM »

Maybe because it’s a Scottish tune and hence not strictly an English Morris tune. But it’s a Polka so popular with NW sides.

The Scots may lay claim to it, but like a lot of tunes it's been noted  over a pretty widespread area right across the borders and well into Northumberland.  Small-pipes territory, in fact........
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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2019, 12:20:28 PM »

night till morn
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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2019, 03:33:52 PM »

The second tune is From night 'til morn (or The Maid and the Palmer) and the third tune is Salmon Tails.
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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2019, 06:01:57 PM »

Maybe because it’s a Scottish tune and hence not strictly an English Morris tune. But it’s a Polka so popular with NW sides.

The Scots may lay claim to it, but like a lot of tunes it's been noted  over a pretty widespread area right across the borders and well into Northumberland.  Small-pipes territory, in fact........

Somewhere I have a CD recording of Katherine Tickle talking about learning to play Salmon Tails on whistle as a young girl and she has recorded it a number of times on the pipes. Other pipers are available but she is one of my favourites.
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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2019, 01:42:58 PM »

Maybe because it’s a Scottish tune and hence not strictly an English Morris tune. But it’s a Polka so popular with NW sides.

The Scots may lay claim to it, but like a lot of tunes it's been noted  over a pretty widespread area right across the borders and well into Northumberland.  Small-pipes territory, in fact........

Somewhere I have a CD recording of Katherine Tickle talking about learning to play Salmon Tails on whistle as a young girl and she has recorded it a number of times on the pipes. Other pipers are available but she is one of my favourites.

Yeh, she's not bad for a fiddler.... >:E
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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2019, 02:30:07 PM »

The second tune is From night 'til morn (or The Maid and the Palmer) and the third tune is Salmon Tails.

And the first tune is  Huntman's Chorus
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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2019, 02:32:14 PM »

And the first tune is the Huntman's Chorus

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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2019, 08:39:56 PM »

I thought Salmon Tails was written by Jamie Allen, the Northumbrian piper. Was he Scottish?
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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2019, 08:50:52 PM »

Salmon tails up the water is way beyond the range of Jamie Allen's pipes. He was around long before the smallpipes came into being.
He would have played something akin to the halflongs or lowland pipes.
Surely it's a fiddle tune. It fits very nicely in the usual range of folk fiddlers.



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Re: NW morris tune ?
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2019, 09:20:35 PM »

That was a nice and interesting little read. Thank you Mr Bailey.
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