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Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« on: June 18, 2019, 01:15:29 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8grHuyFyg4

It's always astonishing what treasures are waiting to be found...
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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2019, 04:54:56 AM »

Though it is also good played a little faster so you can get a bit of that Scottish 'snap' into it. When it is really slow it's hard to tell if it is dead soulful or a real dirge.
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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2019, 08:16:28 AM »

Danny also plays both D/G and B/C melodeons and is an extraordinary musician. Neither concertina or melodeon are his first instrument though, that would be the cello. He has been known to duet with himself.
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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2019, 10:56:28 AM »

One of my favourite pieces since I heard it a folkworks week longer ago than I care to admit. Beautifully played.

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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2019, 01:01:42 PM »

Here is a delightful but quite short piece played on melodeon.


Principessa by M. Martinotti
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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2019, 01:20:41 PM »

Yes, that's in the Goldilocks zone.
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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2019, 03:53:03 PM »

That is a beautiful rendition.
Just out of interest, anyone know if these words are just tagged on to the tune, or if they have always been associated with it?

X: 68
T: ROSLIN CASTLE
O: 1811
B: "Caledonian Musical Repository", 1811, p.222-224
F: http://digital.nls.uk/special-collections-of-printed-music/pageturner.cfm?id=87686121
Z: 2013 John Chambers <jc:trillian.mit.edu>
N: In bar 10, the sharp sign on the d is faint, as if erased; added to match the 1806 version.
N: The "morning" in bar 6 is hyphenated differently in the two editions.
N: Nanny's reply to Colin's song is included in the 1806 edition, but omitted in the 1811 edition.
M: C
L: 1/8
K: Em
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(G>F) | E2 (B>c) B2 (AB) | {d}(cBA) G F2 (G>F) |
w: 'Twas* in that* sea-son* of** the year, When*
E2 (e>f) {ef}g2 (fe) | (^d>ef) d B2 (A>B) |
w: all things* gay and* sweet** ap-pear, That*
(cB) (AG) F2 (GA) | (BG) (FE) {e}^d2 (ef) |
w: Co-*lin,* with the* morn-*ing* ray, A-*
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(ge) (f^d) (eB) (AB) | G2 (TF>E) E2 ][ B2 |
w: rose* and* sung* his* ru-ral* lay. Of
e2 (ef) {a}g2 (fe) | (ba) (ga) {g}f2 (e^d) |
w: Nan-ny's* charms the* shep-*herd* sung, The*
(eB) (ef) {a}g2 (fe) | (ba) (ga) {g}f2 (AB) |
w: hills* and* dales with* Nan-*ny* rung; While*
(cB) (AG) F2 (GA) | (BG) (FE) {e}H^d2 (e>f) |
w: Ros-*lin* Cas-tle* heard* the* swain, And*
(ge) (f^d) (eB) (AB) | G2 (TF>E) E2 |]
w: e-*choed* back* the* cheer-ful* strain.
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W:2.Awake, sweet Muse! the breathing spring
W:  With rapture warms, awake and sing!
W:  Awake and join the vocal throng,
W:  Who hail the morning with a song:
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W:  To Nanny raise the chearful lay;
W:  O! bid her haste and come away;
W:  In sweetest smiles herself adorn,
W:  And add new graces to the morn!
W:
W:3.O hark, my love! on ev'ry spray,
W:  Each feather'd warbler tunes his lay;
W:  'Tis beauty fires the ravish'd throng,
W:  And love inspires the melting song:
W:  Then let my raptur'd notes arise,
W:  For beauty darts from Nanny's eyes,
W:  And love my rising bosom warms,
W:  And fills my soul with sweet alarms.
W:
W:4.O come, my love! thy Colin's lay
W:  With rapture calls, O come away!
W:  Come, while the Muse this wreath shall twine
W:  Around that modest brow of thine.
W:  O! hither haste, and with thee bring
W:  That beauty blooming like the spring,
W:  Those graces that divinely shine,
W:  And charm this ravish'd breast of mine!
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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2019, 06:10:44 PM »

For a really stunning melodeon version check out Richard Arrowsmith's playing on the Melrose Quartet album 'Dominion', then of course there's Squeezy's version 'Gentlewoman' from the Spiers & Boden album Vagabond. Both beautiful, I'm sure I'm preaching to the converted here but still, if you haven't heard them, give 'em a go.
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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2019, 08:57:16 PM »

A beautiful slow air and lovely tone on that instrument.


The tune isn't a Strathspey - a slow air yes. A lament very possibly but not a Strathspey (some one will now prove me wrongby playing it as a Strathspey Reel)
Though it is also good played a little faster so you can get a bit of that Scottish 'snap' into it. When it is really slow it's hard to tell if it is dead soulful or a real dirge.

Worth pointing out that the "Scotch snap" is a fiddle/cello bowing technique specific to the strathspey reel (I can't do it). I suspect that the melodeon equivalent is "attack"....can't do that either.

None of which detracts from a beautiful piece of music.

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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2019, 09:13:11 PM »


Worth pointing out that the "Scotch snap" is a fiddle/cello bowing technique specific to the strathspey reel (I can't do it). I suspect that the melodeon equivalent is "attack"....can't do that either.
I've always used the term Scotch snap as a particular rhythmic device tied into the language. Similar to the Lombardic rhythm, and not instrument dependent. I could be wrong of course.
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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2019, 10:13:46 PM »

Worth pointing out that the "Scotch snap" is a fiddle/cello bowing technique specific to the strathspey reel (I can't do it). I suspect that the melodeon equivalent is "attack"....can't do that either.
Not true. It's a rhythmic feature (particularly of strathspeys). Though you may need to employ a bowing technique to execute it, for all I know. On the button accordion you don't need technique to  any great extent,  more an understanding of the rhythm or maybe a feel for it.
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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2019, 10:31:56 PM »

You can't produce a Scotch snap on the pipes!
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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2019, 11:00:17 PM »

That would be ironic. Just did a trawl and found this video. Only listened to 5 seconds of music to encounter several.
https://vimeo.com/175910173
As far as the original video goes, I'm going to have a go at playing it or something like it - great breath in the music.
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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2019, 11:25:21 PM »

Here is a delightful but quite short piece played on melodeon.


Principessa by M. Martinotti


It is a delightful piece, unfortunately it is played here, far, far, far too fast. It’s a mazurka!!!

As it happens, I recorded it last week: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B-obUExM4AE

And here is another version which I love: https://youtu.be/Ac3O1ks-hOs

It is well worth learning, it is lovely to play!
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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2019, 11:31:28 PM »

I stand corrected. I had confused the Scotch snap with snap bowing. Learn something new every day.
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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2019, 11:42:56 PM »

You can't produce a Scotch snap on the pipes!

Perhaps you have a different (stricter?) definition of a Scotch/Scottish snap than the rest of us?
I think it is generally accepted to be the rhythm of a semiquaver/dotted quaver pair. So long as the two notes in the pair are not the same pitch (in order that no gracing is required to separate the notes), there is no other reason why the Scotch snap cannot be played on pipes with an open chanter.

Here's an example using a practice chanter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoBJWVJgSJg

And here's the full Monty. In the first tune there is a Scotch snap at the end of each line/part of the music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGEJKkSAjBo&list=PL443CCCAAD1B0C016&index=18&frags=wn

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Ah - I see Peadar has already responded while I was posting this!
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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2019, 08:12:53 AM »

That would be ironic. Just did a trawl and found this video. Only listened to 5 seconds of music to encounter several.
https://vimeo.com/175910173
As far as the original video goes, I'm going to have a go at playing it or something like it - great breath in the music.

As said - I stand corrected on the musical term Scotch snap but watching the video through there are some things suggested which don't ring true. In particular the placing of stressed  syllables in Gaelic multisylable words doesn't carry though in English cognates.  e.g. "Rannoch" is from the Gaelic Rainneach (Bracken) - first syllable stressed and long.
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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2019, 11:27:12 AM »

far, far, far too fast. It’s a mazurka!!!

au contraire ...

according to my musical dictionary "The mazurka is a Polish folk dance in triple meter, usually at a lively tempo, and with strong accents placed on the second or third beat. "

As an example Chopin's Mazurka in A minor, Op. 67 has a set tempo of 138bpm.

Research has shown that the average tempo of mazurka performances has since 1900 been dropping a few beats per minute per decade.

Average tempos vary between the sprightly 180pm right down to 80bpm or slower.

It would seem then that 'tempo di mazurka' is more a matter of personal taste, or mutal agreement beween dancers and musician.
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Re: Found a 13 year old gem on youtube
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