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Chris Ryall

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Re: Air button
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2019, 08:10:43 AM »

Just to mention Mustradem's DVD https://youtu.be/s4OMJGa1cfo

It is all about air control, the button, posture and avoidance of strain

(Link above is to the promotion video, not the actual product)
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Re: Air button
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2019, 08:46:38 AM »

I played this box a little more and it's really a huge improvement. The raised bit is just enough to act like a typical Hohner jobbie, and although the spring is stiffer than any other club box I've tried, it is no great effort as the action is down now rather than in.
If anyone wants to do the same thing, it fairly easy.
The original push in button is soft bendy plastic and it it pushed over a wooden block. This is easy to get off. Then the block is trimmed flush with the face of the bass cover.
The little block itself is a bit of (in this case) beech and I tried a couple of shapes starting with almost a hook before I came up with this shape inspired by Chris's picture of a Van Der Aa box.
Fitting it was a little tedious as I had to keep checking to make sure it didn't foul the slot. I used fast setting PVA, none of this foaming stuff, and gave it a few coats of Danish oil.
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Re: Air button
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2019, 09:16:09 AM »

Thanks Lester and Rees. I'll make those plan A anb plan B.
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Re: Air button
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2019, 02:05:37 PM »


It is all about air control, the button, posture and avoidance of strain


We are still talking about melodeons I trust...
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Re: Air button
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2019, 03:58:55 PM »

More on topic, I have an old Hohner with a very short airbutton. Very similar to a pokerwork but barely proud of the cover. Suggestions for improving the situation welcomed.
Remove the bass end plate, gently ease the button up the shaft a little, Robert's your father's brother...

Robert is, indeed my Father's brother.
It was very tight and tricky  to ease up a bit at a time. Easier to pull it right off and then push it back on until it sat the way I wanted it. It was just pushed on, though, no adhesive involved.

Thanks for the confidence to actually do it.
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Re: Air button
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2019, 10:08:51 PM »

According to my granny; "Squeaky shoes aren't paid for!"


That is also true in Sweden.
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Re: Air button
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2019, 11:54:14 PM »

From my experience of having relatives without shoes or boots (not within the span of my memory, mind) I suspect that the only people in many poor communities to have new boots, which might well have squeaked, were bought on the never-never, so actually weren't paid for!
Most old wive's tales and granny sayings seem to have a kernel of truth, somewhere.
(Not unlike the scary tales of itinerant squeezebox players, eh? Gypsies and their like.)
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Re: Air button
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2019, 12:20:12 AM »


...I've tried the Hohner button and find it just cramps my thumb joint and have never got on with it...
 
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I suspect you were trying to push the button with your thumb. I don't know what others do, but I operate Hohner type air buttons with the fleshy part of my palm beneath my thumb. I don't think I could reach it and operate the bass buttons any other way. That works a treat, though.
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Re: Air button
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2019, 08:04:31 AM »

I have small hands and with my natural position to reach the bases, the button seemed to sit around the joint in my thumb.
I could use it, but as said, I'm used to an Italian wedge. Using a Hohner button I would often find I was bending my thumb joint to operate it and after a while felt it cramping.
It could have been simply that this was the first time of using a Hohner button on my friend's borrowed Hohner. When I had the opportunity to buy one and was having the Hohner fettled before buying, I opted to change it to the wedge.
For me it was the easiest way forward, possibly the laziest way forward!
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Re: Air button
« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2019, 09:15:54 AM »


 Using a Hohner button I would often find I was bending my thumb joint to operate it and after a while felt it cramping.
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That's the difference. I just tried consciously operating the button while playing and found that it happens right at the base of the thumb in the joint that is considered part of the hand (the Basal Carpometacarpol joint. I looked it up  ;D). This is the most mobile joint in the hand and seems to be the most powerful. Probably the one you use with the wedge.

Anyway, I'd better lay off this before Theo gets upset.
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Re: Air button
« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2019, 10:06:44 AM »

Well I'm pretty sure my hand size/position made that impossible, but it's too late now for me to test the theory!
I think Theo might understand, but yes, let's move on.
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Re: Air button
« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2019, 10:34:17 AM »

Nothing to upset me here.
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