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Oats and Beans
« on: July 30, 2019, 10:13:55 PM »
Oats and Beans, a children's skipping song collected in Lincolnshire, sung and played by Gavin Atkin using a old Hohner Bb/Eb melodeon.

As it's also played as a three part jig, I tacked on the third part. I hope someone out there enjoys it, 'cos there's usually silence...

https://youtu.be/JP_C3lAklIQ

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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2019, 06:01:21 AM »
Gavin, that’s absolutely brilliant just loved the arrangement .
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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2019, 08:53:00 AM »
Quote from: gmatkin on July 30, 2019, 10:13:55 PM
Oats and Beans, a children's skipping song collected in Lincolnshire, sung and played by Gavin Atkin using a old Hohner Bb/Eb melodeon.

As it's also played as a three part jig, I tacked on the third part. I hope someone out there enjoys it, 'cos there's usually silence...

https://youtu.be/JP_C3lAklIQ

Gavin
Great stuff Gavin; bass notes really effective.
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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2019, 11:31:30 AM »
Quote from: gmatkin on July 30, 2019, 10:13:55 PM
Oats and Beans, a children's skipping song collected in Lincolnshire...
Very nice! Thank you for sharing. Been one of my favourite tunes since I bought the LP (see below) in 1972.

The ABC I have of this one includes all three parts. There's also a version in the Buttrey MS which featured
here recently. Do you have any information relating to when it was collected as a children's skipping game?

I wonder how it transmogrified itself from being a military tune(*) to a children's game song - I love these
little mysteries!

(*) Do other folks know this as 'The Rogues March'? There's a version on Songs and Music of the Redoats (Argo ZDA147), and it's
discussed in the book of the same name by Lewis Winstock, and in Music & the British Military in the Long Nineteenth Century by
Herbert & Barlow. First published in Rutherfoord's Compleat Tutor for the Fife (1750), and also in Thompson & Thompson The
Compleat Tutor for the Fife (1765?) and Bland and Weller Entire New and Compleat Instructions for the Fife (1785?).
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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2019, 11:39:41 AM »
Excellent, shows just the fun you can have with a melodeon  (:)
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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2019, 12:05:20 PM »
Excellent Gavin  ;D

I've always known (since early 80's) that three part version as 'Voulez Vous Danser?' and it appears under that in Hampshire Dance Tunes, edited by Paul Sartin. The Oats and Beans song I know from a bright yellow nursery rhymes cassette my daughters loved.

Roger, I know a different tune as Rogues March - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQuME8bc6NU , courtesy of Lester

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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2019, 12:48:09 PM »
I know it as a three parter Oats, Peas, Beans; only ever let out when followed by When Daylight Shines. First heard on Sold Out, Flowers and Frolics
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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2019, 01:58:28 PM »
The only version I know is John Kirkpatrick's.  I particularly like the double voice chorus.
https://youtu.be/OaTskJ7I1Ag
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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2019, 04:39:57 PM »
Quote from: Roger Hare on July 31, 2019, 11:31:30 AM

(*) Do other folks know this as 'The Rogues March'?

The tune I know as "Rogue's March" has a similar rhythmic structure, but a quite different melody and harmonic structure. Probably related tunes, though.

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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2019, 05:25:21 PM »
Quote from: GPS on July 31, 2019, 04:39:57 PM
Quote from: Roger Hare on July 31, 2019, 11:31:30 AM
(*) Do other folks know this as 'The Rogues March'?
The tune I know as "Rogue's March" has a similar rhythmic structure, but a quite different melody and harmonic
structure. Probably related tunes, though.

Graham
I think there's a similarly named tune in Chappell's Popular Music of the Olden Time, but I can't find the
exact reference now  :( .

Here's the version off the record I mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaplEF4w9RY. I should
have had the nous to post it first time around!

And another - 'Poor Old Soldier'... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efUyPapNFSg
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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2019, 05:44:37 PM »
Always played as a three-parter in these 'ere parts as 'Oats, Peas, Beans' usually paired with 'When Daylight Shines' and quite distinct from 'Rogues March'.
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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2019, 05:58:18 PM »
Quote from: Roger Hare on July 31, 2019, 05:25:21 PM
Here's the version off the record I mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaplEF4w9RY. I should
have had the nous to post it first time around!

And another - 'Poor Old Soldier'... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efUyPapNFSg
Kerfuffle did a recoding on this on the To The Ground LP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xuUI-BzhrA
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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2019, 06:30:18 PM »
My heavens. I'm pleased to have set off an interesting discussion! Well done you lot!

Gavin
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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2019, 11:21:13 PM »
Quote from: gmatkin on July 31, 2019, 06:30:18 PM
My heavens. I'm pleased to have set off an interesting discussion! Well done you lot!

Gavin

Don't take it  personally, Gavin. It's because we think your posts are intended for your melodeon group. We didn't realise you were feeling lonely on here  ;D

[Edit: Speaking for myself, I really enjoy your posts]
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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2019, 04:50:33 AM »
Quote from: Roger Hare on July 31, 2019, 05:25:21 PM
Here's the version off the record I mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaplEF4w9RY. I should
have had the nous to post it first time around!

And another - 'Poor Old Soldier'... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efUyPapNFSg

Wikipedia says that the Rogue's March was the second named piece of music ever played in the colony of Australia (after God Save the King). The transports arrived in January 1788, the colony of Australia was declared on 9 February, and three individuals were drummed out of camp on 11 February for fornication. :o
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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2019, 10:27:50 AM »
Quote from: Jesse Smith on August 01, 2019, 04:50:33 AM
Quote from: Roger Hare on July 31, 2019, 05:25:21 PM
Here's the version off the record I mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaplEF4w9RY. I should
have had the nous to post it first time around!

And another - 'Poor Old Soldier'... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efUyPapNFSg

Wikipedia says that the Rogue's March was the second named piece of music ever played in the colony of Australia (after God Save the King). The transports arrived in January 1788, the colony of Australia was declared on 9 February, and three individuals were drummed out of camp on 11 February for fornication. :o
I've also heard this called "Twenty I got"...the number of lashes obviously varying... :|glug
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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2019, 11:30:52 AM »
Quote from: baz parkes on August 01, 2019, 10:27:50 AM
I've also heard this called "Twenty I got"...the number of lashes obviously varying... :|glug
From some of the words of the song:

Twenty I got for selling me coat, twenty for selling me blanket,
If ever I 'list for a soldier again, the Devil shall be me sergeant...

From memory, it's fifty on the record...
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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2019, 12:28:34 PM »
Quote from: Roger Hare on August 01, 2019, 11:30:52 AM
Quote from: baz parkes on August 01, 2019, 10:27:50 AM
I've also heard this called "Twenty I got"...the number of lashes obviously varying... :|glug
From some of the words of the song:

Twenty I got for selling me coat, twenty for selling me blanket,
If ever I 'list for a soldier again, the Devil shall be me sergeant...

From memory, it's fifty on the record...

Yep...the youtube video superimposes the fifty verse over the video..
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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2019, 10:07:11 AM »
Really clean and constant variations kept it interesting and absorbing to to very end  :D

Exemplary  8)  … "wot, no medley"?    :neigh:
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Re: Oats and Beans
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2019, 06:56:18 PM »
Quote from: Tone Dumb Greg on July 31, 2019, 11:21:13 PM
Quote from: gmatkin on July 31, 2019, 06:30:18 PM
My heavens. I'm pleased to have set off an interesting discussion! Well done you lot!

Gavin

Don't take it  personally, Gavin. It's because we think your posts are intended for your melodeon group. We didn't realise you were feeling lonely on here  ;D

[Edit: Speaking for myself, I really enjoy your posts]

Thanks Greg!

I post the regular tune videos thinking that they might be useful to someone - particularly non-readers learning to play or learning new tunes. (Naturally I have other ways of reaching the workshoppers.)

The others Youtubes... Well they're performances but I also hope to encourage folks to sing with their boxes.

I'd particularly like to encourage folks to try the chords-with-verses-tune-on-the-chorus approach, which generally works well and is fairly simple.

Gavin

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