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Peadar

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Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« on: September 08, 2019, 09:16:15 PM »

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Yes this is really embarrassing.

But quite genuinely I need a definitive set of dots for the Grand Old Duke of York. The grandson has asked for it . I had grown out of it before I developed any sense of pitch. And Folk Tune finder seems to have about 3 million variations (slight exageration) .

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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2019, 10:31:13 PM »

It just so happens it is one of my Whitby workshop tunes...

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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2019, 10:46:37 PM »

Funnily enough, a setting of The Grand Old Duke Of York was one of my last Roose toones. aka Trelawny, we dance Ash Pole to another setting of the tune. [to be fair to Gena, it's more "puts me in mind of" than "identical to"]

X:859
T:Quadrilles No.1(#5) Finales. Roose.0859
T:aka The Grand Old Duke Of York
T:aka Trelawny
B:Roose MS, poss. Manchester, mid-late 19th century.
Z:vmp.2019.Greg Bradfield-Smith.
N:
R:
M:2/4
L:1/8
Q:1/4=120
K:Cmaj clef=treble
e/2d/2|cG EG|c3 B/2c/2|dd dd|d>e dG/2G/2|
ee ee|ef/2e/2 de/2d/2|cc B/2c/2d/2e/2|c3!fine!|]
c/2B/2|AA Bc|d>c Bc/2B/2|AA Bc|d3 c/2B/2|
AA Bc|dd/2d/2 dc/2c/2|cB/2B/2 BA/2A/2|Ggz G|
cc/2c/2 cc|c2 gg/2g/2|c'g ec|Ggz G|
cc/2c/2 cc|cz c/2c/2|d/2c/2B/2A/2 B/2A/2G/2^F/2|G2Z!D.S.!|]


« Last Edit: September 09, 2019, 12:02:58 AM by Tone Dumb Greg »
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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2019, 11:49:23 PM »

Hmm, that abc code looks quite unpleasant and a little suspect.
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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2019, 12:07:01 AM »

ok, have the code for Ashpole instead.  ;D

X:2
T:Ashpole
C:DBM
N:Notated GB-S
Q:1/4
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:G
W:A (Intro) 2A, 2B, 2A, 2B, 2A, 2B, 2A, 2B, 2C (dance off).
P:A (very steady)
B>A [|:"G"GD B,D .G zz G |"D"F>G AB A2 A2 |"G"B2 Bd "D7"cB AG |1"D"FG "D7"AF "G"G2B>A :|]2"D"FG "D7"AF "G"G2EE |]
P:B (a bit faster)
[|:"Em"E>E FG "D"F2 A2 |"Em"E>E FG "D"F2 D2 | "Em"E>E FG "D"F2 A2 |1 "D"FA"D9"EA"D"D2B>A:|]|2 "D"FA"D9"EA"D"D2B>A |]
P:C (dance off, same tempo as B)
[|:GD B,D G2>G2 |F>G AB A2 A2 |B>G Bd cB AG |1FG AF G2B>A :|]2FG Af g4|]
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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2019, 12:09:38 AM »

because?

Because of |c3 B/2c/2| - if you try and resolve that in your head you'll find that that bar doesn't add up right as it seems like it adds up to 3 + 0.5*2 + 0.5*2 = 5? Since / cuts a note length in half, 2 would double it? Fortunately when one loads it into an interpreter, you discover/remember that it doesn't work like that and something like 44 out of 46 instances of '2' seemingly do absolutely nothing, so, I guess it's fine! Sorry for causing alarm.
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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2019, 12:27:49 AM »

because?

Because of |c3 B/2c/2| - if you try and resolve that in your head you'll find that that bar doesn't add up right as it seems like it adds up to 3 + 0.5*2 + 0.5*2 = 5? Since / cuts a note length in half, 2 would double it? Fortunately when one loads it into an interpreter, you discover/remember that it doesn't work like that and something like 44 out of 46 instances of '2' seemingly do absolutely nothing, so, I guess it's fine! Sorry for causing alarm.

S'ok. You're right. The 2s are superflous and implied by /  I thought maybe I should change to L:1/16, but it works fine. It's sound ABC and I couldn't be bothered reworking what I had done. I've attached a pdf to show it works. I thought you meant because it wasn't an identical tune (which I am aware of). I keep messing up my edits. Tired. I think I'll go and sleep off my insomnia, now.

« Last Edit: September 09, 2019, 12:32:26 AM by Tone Dumb Greg »
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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2019, 08:12:26 AM »

Since / cuts a note length in half, 2 would double it?
Not quite right, the / says shorten the note and the following number states by how much, so you could have /4 or /16 or whatever. But if you leave the number out then /2 is assumed as is the 1 proceeding the /.


If you want really untidy ABC use A3/2B1/2 in place of A>B
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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2019, 09:35:32 AM »

all this seems to me to be overcomplication to say the least.  The grand old duke of York only uses buttons 234 on a 3rd button start box so there is only a choice of 6 notes . Most people will have an idea of the tune and those that don't will be able to find it somewhere on youtube ( or lesters tune a day)  After that its just a simple matter of pocking and prodding 3 buttons

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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2019, 10:11:06 AM »

Totally agree with George. It's how I learn new tunes. Although I've been playing for a few years,I wouldn't understand all
 that technical blurb. So I don't know how a beginner would manage it. Keep it simple,I say.
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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2019, 10:32:00 AM »

I agree with the previous two posts.  I can't imagine not being able to play such a tune from memory, but I suppose it give an insight into how difficult that can be for some people.
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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2019, 10:42:21 AM »

I first played the grand old duke of York as a kid on a mouthie 65 years ago.  NObody told me , or my mates, how to play it - we just sucked and blowed until we got it right!  After several years of knocking tunes out on a mouthie playing on the row on a 'melodeon'  came naturally. - the similarity between the two instruments is confirmed by the german title of fist armonica ( or something like that)   and I strongly recommend a simple mouthie to work out new tunes on ( quietly)  as an aid to learning to play a melodeon.

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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2019, 05:04:33 PM »

(1) Not quite right, the / says shorten the note and the following number states by how much, so you could have /4 or /16 or whatever. But if you leave the number out then /2 is assumed as is the 1 proceeding the /.

(2) If you want really untidy ABC use A3/2B1/2 in place of A>B
(1) I've recently started editing all /2s to /s - unless they are necessary (which occasionally they are).
(2) Yup! It gets even more unpleasant if you have stuff like A3/2B1/2c1/2d3/2 - which resolves down to a much more simple
A>Bc<d (*)

I'd been wondering about whether it's legitimate to make blanket changes like this. Seems like it's OK? IMO it increases the
readability and comprehensibility of ABC scripts by a very large factor.

Thank to the contributors of the Duke of York dots - my nephews will love it!

(*) The intermediate forms A3/2B/2c/2d3/2 and A3/B/c/d3/ are equally 'orrible.
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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2019, 05:53:56 PM »

Since / cuts a note length in half, 2 would double it?
Not quite right, the / says shorten the note and the following number states by how much, so you could have /4 or /16 or whatever. But if you leave the number out then /2 is assumed as is the 1 proceeding the /.


I think that's what I said, more or less. Probably more less and less more, though. It's what I meant to say, anyway. Took me three goes to realise what Gena's issue was.
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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2019, 06:10:50 PM »

Never having played it before, I had a go today, and it took me about 3 minutes to work it out, but what a boring bloody tune!


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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2019, 06:22:02 PM »

Never having played it before, I had a go today, and it took me about 3 minutes to work it out, but what a boring bloody tune!
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Worth posting some variations then  ;D
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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2019, 06:23:37 PM »

but what a boring bloody tune!


Fulfils its job of being a nursery rhyme tune for the young

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Re: Anyone got dots for "The Grand Old Duke of York"?
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2019, 06:36:23 PM »

but what a boring bloody tune!

Fulfils its job of being a nursery rhyme tune for the young
Exactly! And furthermore, being a nursery rhyme tune, is likely to be well ingrained in the brains of very many people from a very early age. This makes it an ideal tune for beginners on the melodeon to learn. It also has words, which most people know too. When I teach my beginners workshop at Whitby, we learn the tune by ear at first before I distribute the written music/tablature as attached in my earlier post.

So although it might be a 'bloody boring tune' (debatable), it is also a bloody useful tune.

 
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2019, 06:36:59 PM »

but what a boring bloody tune!

Fulfils its job of being a nursery rhyme tune for the young

That's probably why it's being played for morris.
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