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[Danny]

I have an Oakwood Sanpiper DG box with a 3rd row of 5 Accidentals.
They are tuned (chin down) A"/G" - Eb/F - F/C - A"/G' - Eb/F
Are these standard? Do you need 2 sets of Eb/F ?
Sorry for the typing error. the first button is indeed A"/G"
I like the suggestion of having an E on the push and a D on the pull.
Where would I put them?
Thanks
Trevor

[Fred]

Have a look here at the various "standard" two and a half row layouts:

http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/page,keyboard_25_row.html

[Theo]

Very unusual to have A push on the extra row of a DG because that duplicates the notes that you already have on the D row. 

[Gena Crisman]

Like, Eb/F in the same octave as one another? That would be unusual, and, not very useful. That alone might be relatively normal, if separated by an octave. On a DG though you would expect G#/A# (or Ab/Bb) as the other buttons on the row, as well as reversals (such as C natural) - are you using the ' as indicating octave differences? Some clarify vis a vis your half row description could be clearer however. Is the order Push/Pull, or Pull/Push? Octave numbers perhaps?

You could consider leaving the half row alone, however, until you feel like you 'know' what kind of notes you might like on that half row - since half rows are usually fairly personalised.

[Danny]

Thanks all for your help. It has been very useful

[Anahata]

Are you sure the A'/G" isn't A♯/G♯ ?
and..

Do you need 2 sets of Eb/F ?

I'd assume they are in different octaves, in which case both are useful.

[Rog]

A push E is v useful. it makes all those tunes with a GED run than much easier... And a pull D is also v useful. It’s a v personal thing but using the spare buttons for reversals rather than to extend the accidentals is one direction to take.

[Anahata]

A push E is v useful... And a pull D is also v useful.

You look like a man in need of a Dutch reversal.

[Eshed]

You look like a man in need of a Dutch reversal.

Very recommended and easier to get used to than expected.

[Squeaky Pete]

You look like a man in need of a Dutch reversal.

Very recommended and easier to get used to than expected.

I wish I'd known this when I started. I won't try now. Learning a different finger sequence for tunes I played 40 years ago is bad enough.
On a different note (see what I did there) I have to make all the half rows the same relationship to the main rows. They are almost the same, but not quite.

[Gary P Chapin]

Are these standard? Do you need 2 sets of Eb/F ?

If they're in different octaves it is very helpful.

[george garside]

my personal preference is for 4th button start with low notes as per the diagram on here ( which is for 3rd button start, i.e.I retain the 'normal chin end accidentals. In other words and excluding the accidenntals   push notes are repeated ever4th button and pull every fifth button .   This is the same layout as on a semitone box and saves me from having nasty accidents  if  using both systems in eg a session!

A BC box does of course have all the accidentals handily arranged for both octaves without the need for a third row or part thereof!


george

[Rog]

A push E is v useful... And a pull D is also v useful.

You look like a man in need of a Dutch reversal.

Or a club layout  which I quite like.

[Tone Dumb Greg]

my personal preference is for 4th button start with low notes as per the diagram on here ( which is for 3rd button start, i.e.I retain the 'normal chin end accidentals. In other words and excluding the accidenntals   push notes are repeated ever4th button and pull every fifth button .   This is the same layout as on a semitone box and saves me from having nasty accidents  if  using both systems in eg a session!
george

Don't you miss the low G and the low C, George?

[george garside]

NO taking into  consideration its a 21 button box. On a 23 button I might think about 5 button start  but there is a limit to what  you can do without chopping too much of the high end so whatever is chosen is going to be a compromise of some sort.   To me the simple answer is to settle for whatever compromise best sujits the individual player  whilst keeping to a simple lightweight two row  21 button box.   

 those  ever seeking  the ability to make  simple melodeon do everything  may be better off changing to a continental chromatic, a piano box or  maybe even a 46 button Shand MOrino


  Much of the fun playing a simple two row  comes from finding ways round its  limitations  AKA the noble art of faking

george

[Québécois]

A BC box does of course have all the accidentals handily arranged for both octaves without the need for a third row or part thereof!

george

Do not underestimate the power of a B/C/C# 

[Adam-T]

A BC box does of course have all the accidentals handily arranged for both octaves without the need for a third row or part thereof!

george

Do not underestimate the power of a B/C/C# 

Or a 4 row like a Steirische, you get D/G/C/F - two boxes in one and loadsa "Accidentals" without wasting keys for them 4th button start with all low notes (Luvverly)  .. love that the D/G is an octave lower than a regular D/G melodeon too and the bass is to die for .. being Diatonic , its immedietly playable to a melodeonista unlike a Chromatic  - I never got the hang of B/C/C# despite all George's excellent tips, I`m sure they`re superb once you can play one but may as well learn the bagpipes, it`s probably easier  ...

[Roger Howard]

]
I`m sure they`re superb once you can play one but may as well learn the bagpipes, it`s probably easier  ...

And, of course, everyone should learn to play the bagpipes ... NSP, Border, and all the other varieties (but not, perhaps GHB). 

[Peadar]

]
I`m sure they`re superb once you can play one but may as well learn the bagpipes, it`s probably easier  ...

And, of course, everyone should learn to play the bagpipes ... NSP, Border, and all the other varieties (but not, perhaps GHB). 

GHB?

I strongly suspect that if ever I try to learn the pipes that will be the direction of travel.

[george garside]

I have a set of electronic bagpipes  which have the advantage of being playable through earphones.  Doesn't look like  the real article just a chanter  sprouting out of a little electronic box  with volume control for the drones.   You can get more expensive ones  complete wih bag and imitation drones  but the sound is just the same.

george